[lucyjoy]

I thought my post went well without that letter an yes, it is missing.

Her info is private but the school can access what is necessary for her IEP.

[manni28]

Although I'm not a parent of a special needs child, I would suggest that you enroll your child in a schoolthat will address her needs. I use to work in education and I can tell you all you need is for your child to do something, and you and your family could find yourselves in a very dangerous situation.

There was once a child, such as your daughter, who was placed in the school where I worked. The child's history was "hidden" from teachers and aides until he abused a smaller child. Let me tell you when the child's parents found out what the kid had done ( he was still allowed to attend school during investigation), they came to the school to beat/kill him ( can you blame them, their child had been violated). It was pure chaos, and the police were called in to escort the child home; and the family had to have them guard their home. Although you want your child to experience "real life", I would strongly suggest that you find a school that addresses her needs (or continue to home school). Remember, if your child does abuse a child you need to worry about the parents finding out where you live, and taking the law into their own hands.

-Manni

[Lorraine123]

Oh, I don't want my child to experience "real life" at all. I want her placed in a contained classroom with constant supervision. The school has the ability to address her needs. They feel it isn't necessary.

Yes, I could access the records. It just amazed me that they said they couldn't.

I am tired. I have been fighting for this child for 6 years and she hates me for it. I am defeated.

Oh, I too found it funny that Lucy called my daughter a chile. She is hot and spicy and too much exposure to her will burn you up!

[manni28]

Oh, I don't want my child to experience "real life" at all. I want her placed in a contained classroom with constant supervision. The school has the ability to address her needs. They feel it isn't necessary.

Can't you find a school that will address her needs, besides a public school? It's very risky for all involved to place her in a public school.

[ajjhmf]

Originally Posted by Lorraine123

Oh, I too found it funny that Lucy called my daughter a chile. She is hot and spicy and too much exposure to her will burn you up!

This made me smile.

Lorraine, fighting a school for what is best for our kids is one of the hardest things to do. Hang in there. You can do this. And when it's done, we'll have a fall gathering somewhere and drink lot of wine ot celebrate!

[ajjhmf]

Originally Posted by manni28

Can't you find a school that will address her needs besides other than a public school? It's very risky for all involved to place her in a public school.

Um, have you ever looked at the cost of private special education? Or what's involved in getting a child in a funded day-treatment program? Federal law states that children are to be granted a free and appropriate education. Lorraine's daughter has a right to an education and the school MUST provide for her and everyone else's safety.

Lorraine, please don't feel bad for wanting S to got to school. Just keep fighting to get her what she needs to go there.

[manni28]

Um, have you ever looked at the cost of private special education? Or what's involved in getting a child in a funded day-treatment program? Federal law states that children are to be granted a free and appropriate education. Lorraine's daughter has a right to an education and the school MUST provide for her and everyone else's safety

I understand that, BUT as a parent I wouldn't be happy at all if I found out a child ( who has the potential to be a sexual predator) was attending the same school as my child ( supervised or not). Trust me, I've seen what happens when a child does abuse and victim's parents find out. Isn't there a school that her Dr. can recommed that's free?

The OP will do what she wants, and I wish for the safety for all involved.

-Manni

[ladyjubilee]

Originally Posted by Lorraine123

Little background - S has been on home hospital teaching for the last three years. This is where the school system sends a teacher to our home. This has to be renewed every 60 days and each time her psychiatrist filled out the paperwork saying it is unsafe for her to attend school. Well, we decided to try her back in school since she is starting middle school and we realize that we can't keep her in a bubble forever. So, we started the process.

Here’s what they say - The home hospital paperwork is confidential and from another department, so they can't access it. Therefore, they have no history of her having issues at school. What we say and what her docs say is just heresay and they can't take that into account.

We have a written note from her psychiatrist saying that she will perpetrate and she needs to be in a contained classroom.

One one level, though, they are bound by law. They are required to place her in the "least restrictive" environment. That said, though, documentation by an MD (psychiatrist) isn't heresay and medical orders must be followed. If the psychiatrist (not psychologist) has order a more restrictive placement, why not just tell them they must follow medical orders or you will need to seek legal advice due to their inability to follow the doctor's written order. Which, btw, is "child neglect".

[momraine]

There may be a child who is a sexual predetor at your child's school. Not all parents are as concientious as Lorraine in letting the school know about issues. The children do not wear signs around thier necks. So if you want to be absolutly sure that your child is safe, you might want to homeschool. Though the truth is your child has a right to go to school and be safe, but so does Lorraine's child.

[MamaS]

Originally Posted by manni28

I understand that, BUT as a parent I wouldn't be happy at all if I found out a child ( who has the potential to be a sexual predator) was attending the same school as my child ( supervised or not). Trust me, I've seen what happens when a child does abuse and victim's parents find out. Isn't there a school that her Dr. can recommed that's free?

The OP will do what she wants, and I wish for the safety for all involved.

-Manni

When I was a public school counselor, we were told that statistically, by the age of 14, 1 in 4 girls and 1 in 7 boys will have been the victim of some form of sexual abuse. Even homeschooling does not guarantee safety - more children are abused by family members than by strangers, teachers, or schoolmates.

The OP IS concerned about the safety of all. That is why she is asking for supervision. She knows that there is a high likelihood that something WILL happen and that her child, her family, the victim, the victim's family, even the reputation of the school will suffer.
I admire her for keeping up the pressure.

To Lorraine: I would suggest that you have you lawyer draw up a letter that states that the school was advised of the high potential for a SA incident involving your daughter, that the school was asked by the child's parent and the child's psychiatrist to provide supervision and that by refusing to do so, the school was accepting total responsibility of the results of any actions by your child. Then present it to them for your daughter's file, with a copy to the Head of Special Education and the School Board Attorney. My guess is that when they consider the cost of a potential lawsuit, they might be more willing to write an acceptable IEP. Unfortunately, money is a greater motivator than the best interests of the child in many situations.

[kellum5]

Schools never cease to amaze me.
Our oldest daughter was bullied at school until we had to remove her last year. She is smart, beautiful and like by almost all of her peers.
Four girls threatened her on school property and we even had witnesses both by students, teachers and a UPS man who just happened to over hear.
We were told "threatening" was not proof of violence or bullying. The girls even told the counselor they were mean to her.
Our attorney had the school write a letter stating they were totally responsible for anything that happened on school property and included what had been stated.
When they were given to paper to sign and notarize, they quickly back tracked and agreed they were "wrong" in their previous statements.
Our daughter had be be removed from school.
It is a nasty and unfortunate situation and I can tell you from experience make sure you have everything in writing and possibly tape meetings if they will agree. You must protect yourself, your child and others when the school isn't wise enough to figure out what to do.
I admire your willingness to fight. Many parents would just so "oh well" and wait for the fall out.
Thanks for advocating for everyone involved in this situation.
I wish you the best.

[manni28]

To Lorraine: I would suggest that you have you lawyer draw up a letter that states that the school was advised of the high potential for a SA incident involving your daughter, that the school was asked by the child's parent and the child's psychiatrist to provide supervision and that by refusing to do so, the school was accepting total responsibility of the results of any actions by your child. Then present it to them for your daughter's file, with a copy to the Head of Special Education and the School Board Attorney. My guess is that when they consider the cost of a potential lawsuit, they might be more willing to write an acceptable IEP. Unfortunately, money is a greater motivator than the best interests of the child in many situations

MamaS:

That's my point...why would she have her child around children if she knows what the child is capable of, period! Yes I feel for her, but not at another child's expense. Why can't she home school or place the child in a school that meets her needs instead of putting "innocent" kids at risk, regardless if the kid is under supervision?

I think it's irresponsible, to be honest, and that's what other parents will have "issues" with. She knew her child was a danger to others, but yet she insisted the child be around others under supervision, instead of putting the child in a facility that would meet her needs and keep others safe.

[SuzBerg]

Originally Posted by manni28

MamaS:

That's my point...why would she have her child around children if she knows what the child is capable of, period! Yes I feel for her, but not at another child's expense. Why can't she home school or place the child in a school that meets her needs instead of putting "innocent" kids at risk, regardless if the kid is under supervision?

I think it's irresponsible, to be honest, and that's what other parents will have "issues" with. She knew her child was a danger to others, but yet she insisted the child be around others under supervision, instead of putting the child in a facility that would meet her needs and keep others safe.

Manni - I think Lorraine is trying to do what is best for everyone. She came here for our support. She is a very responsible parent. She does NOT want to put other children at risk, that's why she has been meeting with the school and TRYING to get services put in place that will protect EVERYONE. She has homeschooled her daughter for years to protect her and other children. BUT, her daughter is entitled to an education just like everyone else's child. She just has a different special need - the school still is required to provide for her needs (by law). I'm pretty sure if there were another school that would be good for Lorraine's daughter and meet her needs Lorraine would have taken advantage of that. I'm not sure what kind of "facility" you are referring to?

Lorraine -I'm sorry you are having to go through this. You know none of this is your fault! You are just the one picking up the pieces. We Love YOU!

[Lorraine123]

I never insisted my child be around other "innocent" children. In fact, I have advocated for just the opposite. The school is the one who is insisting. My daughter has been home for three years. So, yes, I've done the home schooling thing. Manni - you seem to think she should be locked away in solitary confinement or something. No, she shouldn't. I wanted her placed in a special school for offenders and the school system told me no. I then advocated for her to be in a contained classroom with a one-on-one aid. Again, I was told no. Because she was kept home for three years, the school has no history of her acting out. Even with documentation of psych evals, testing, and letters from her psychiatrist, they won't listen. And when I say that I advocated - I REALLY WORKED.

BTW - You can't just call up a treatment center and say here is my child. There must be some type of history. We don't have that.

I have told them that my lawyer will be writing a letter. They said fine. I feel like I am being blamed here. Hopefully that is not the case. I have done all that I can. My daughter is entitled to an education. No, she isn't entitled to hurting someone else, but she is entitled to an education.

Can you suggest a school that would meet her needs? Our school system has programs for children like her, but she has been denied.

[manni28]

I wanted her placed in a special school for offenders and the school system told me no. I then advocated for her to be in a contained classroom with a one-on-one aid. Again, I was told no. Because she was kept home for three years, the school has no history of her acting out. Even with documentation of psych evals, testing, and letters from her psychiatrist, they won't listen. And when I say that I advocated - I REALLY WORKED.

BTW - You can't just call up a treatment center and say here is my child. There must be some type of history. We don't have that.

Now you do have proof/history to show that your child is threat to society. You have written documentation from her Dr. and letters from the school board denying the help you requested. I'm quite sure you can go to the treatment center or the school for offenders and insist that they admit her. You can take them to court.

Manni