[crick]

Since many of you are L&L experts, can you suggest situations and examples of ways that teachers can apply L & L to the class?

I'm really not happy with behavior plans/systems being used in my kids' classes and thought I'd make some suggestions to the school, district and anyone else in the school system I can think of.

Thanks!!

[AmyAnne]

There's a whole book available about Teaching with Love and Logic! It's not by Foster Kline, but received good reviews on Amazon.com

[lucyjoy]

My kids elementary school used love and logic and it was wonderful.

If HE wasn't responsible HE got the consequence. They'd let me know if it was serious, otherwise, it didn't come up.

I thought his second grade teacher was mean when he came home the second day of school and told me he's been in the buddy chair for forgetting his planner. Thankfully, I asked questions before saying anything to my son. I asked him how he felt-he said, "well, mom, it is MY responsibility." Wow.

They took recess time to finish incomplete homework. Repeated misbehavior in class lost you class team time or parties.

It was very effective with my son. Wish his current school used it.

When my wild child was in 6th grade, 7 or 8 boys were repeatedly acting up in the lunch room. The principal called the parents and told us we could either come eat with our kids at lunch or, they could eat in the office then sit in the gym facing the wall(strong sitting style) for the rest of lunch for a week. Very effective as well.

[mrsred]

They have special Love and Logic classes designed for the educators. In fact that was how I got introduced to L & L, at a state summer institute for teachers (I was invited to attend as the Title IV parent representative for the school). It is not that differennt than the love and logic methods employed in the home.

[zebramom]

There is the book "Love & Logic for the Special Needs Child" written by Dave Funk. Awesome book. He is a teacher in Milwaukee.

I may have an extra copy here since he sent me several.

One year T had 10 food fights in the first quarter of the year. Normal consequences weren't working (go figure) so the next time he did it, he got to stay in from recess and clean the lunch room. THAT was effective and a logical consequence for what he did.

[stevenstwin]

So, I'm seriously wondering what kinds of consequences your teachers ARE using? It seems to me that everythign I do in the classroom fits in with the L&L naturally. For instance, I had a gr. 9 student decide to spend his whole class writing on his desk top yesterday. So he came in at noon to clean the graffitti off his desk and others in the room that had a few minor marks. Any teacher I know would do that...so I'm wondering what kinds of "inappropriate" conequences your kids have had for misbehaviour? (although they DID try 2 years ago to put my fs on a "reward economy" where he earned magic cards for each class he behaved in. THAT was completely ineffective!)

[Kerbchek]

I'll be learning more about Love and Logic in the classroom as I'm signed up for a conference in November all about it... I get foster parent credit as well as teacher licensure renual credit for doing the same thing... I like snatching up two birds with one stone!

[crick]

I'll have to check out the book then. I'm trying to just find good examples because one of the things I've heard teachers say repeatedly is that they don't have time to dole out specific consequences due to the size of the class. I do realize this, but wondering if L&L in the end would save time as opposed to the methods being used now.

Seems to me it's far more time consuming to keep track of "strikes" and once you get to the 4th strike, you then have to do a form, and then after that it's something else etc. And none of it applies to the specific behavior, so instead of correcting it, it keeps going. (in my opinion)

[zebramom]

That's stupid Crick. That tells them that they can do it 3 times before something happens, and even at that, a form?? Whoop dee doo? And what if they don't do the form? Do they get another strike, which leads to another form?

L&L can be applied class wide and the teachers will probably see better results.

[lucyjoy]

Yes, Z. S got 5 smilies x'd which got him a think sheet that he ignored so they x'd another smilie. Very effective. My son has now learned he can do as he pleases. Wonder how long it will take them to figure it out?

[JewelMarie]

Now I have to read the book... What is the author of Love and Logic???

[Lorraine123]

Foster Cline

[crick]

Originally Posted by zebramom

That's stupid Crick. That tells them that they can do it 3 times before something happens, and even at that, a form?? Whoop dee doo? And what if they don't do the form? Do they get another strike, which leads to another form?

L&L can be applied class wide and the teachers will probably see better results.

Yesshhh...I'm the choir here, Z! LOL! I know, I know!

I don't know what happens if they don't do the form. Likely a visit to the principal. I do know that they get 2 forms to fill out before a call home. Which in itself doesn't make sense since the parent has to sign the form in the first place.

Overall I really do respect teachers and their important jobs. I also think they have a lot less control in their classrooms, but for this specific teacher anyway, I really do think she needs a different system.

So here's an example...how would you apply L&L to this?

Child forgets his reading book at home. Instead of a strike and then given a different copy of the book to use for reading class, you would.....

[lucyjoy]

Not give him a copy of the reading book and let him manage without.

Lose recess to clean erasers or something to pay for the use of the book.

Charge the kid a quarter to borrow the book.