[HAIR127]

HELLO EVERYONE...I WANT TO TELL YOU ABOUT THE TIME CHART I MADE TO SORT OUT THE LIES FROM THE TRUTH IN MY FAMILY. THIS TIME CHART SHOWS ME THE BIG PICTURE! MAYBE IT WOULD WORK FOR SOMEONE ELSE. I MADE IT ON A LARGE POSTER BOARD. I FIRST PUT LINES ON THE POSTER BOARD LIKE A CHECKER BOARD..THEN I PUT ALL THE NAMES OF MY AUNTS, UNCLES,MOTHERS,ETC. ...GOING ALONG THE TOP IN EACH SPACE. THEN DOWN THE LEFT SIDE I PUT THE DATES FROM 1914 ALL THE WAY UP TO 1958. THEN I PROCEDED TO WRITE DOWN IMPORTANT EVENTS UNDER THE CORRECT DATES. I PULLED SCHOOL RECORDS AND PUT THEM ON MY TIME CHART FOR EACH OF THE PEOPLE. I THEN PULLED MILITARY RECORDS AND PUT THEM ON THE CHART. I THEN PUT DATES WHEN I KNEW MY AUNTS WERE RAPED. I PUT EVERYTHING ON THOSE CHARTS I COULD FIND. FROM THE POLKS DIRECTORY I FILLED IN A LOT OF INFO AS TO WHERE THESE GIRLS WERE AND WHAT YEAR. WHAT MY TIME CHART DOES IS LETS ME SEE THE BIG PICTURE AND THE LIES STICK OUT. FOR INSTANCE MY AMOM TOLD ME THAT SHE WAS IN SCHOOL THE YEAR HER BABY SISTER WAS BORN. NO SHE WAS NOT..I HAD IT DOWN ON MY CHART FROM HER SCHOOL RECORDS. ALSO I HAD THAT THE DOCTOR FROM TOWN DIDNT MAKE IT TO TERRYS BIRTH BECAUSE HE WAS DRUNK. SO A NEIGHBOR LADY DELIVERED TERRY. (I REMEMBERED THIS FROM TALES THAT WERE SHARED IN THE FAMILY) SO THE DOCTOR PROCEDED TO MAKE OUT A BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR TERRY...WHEN HE WASNT EVEN THERE! WHO DO I THINK TERRYS MOM IS?...MY AMOM.NO WONDER SHE LIED ABOUT SCHOOL! NO WONDER SHE TOOK CARE OF TERRY EVERY SUMMER.( TERRY LIVED WITH A RICH AUNT IN CHICAGO) NO WONDER AMOM SAID THAT SEEING JUNIOR SUTTON WAS KILLED IN THE WAR...SHE DECIDED TO MOVE TO BIG RAPIDS TO WORK AND MADE HER DAD PROMICE HE WOULDNT GIVE TERRY AWAY.(ALTHOUGH HE DID..TO HIS RICH SISTER) TERRY I AM SURE IS AMOMS DAUGHTER...ACCORDING TO THE CHART ....AND ANOTHER ONE OF THE AUNTS WAS RAPED ON SO AND SO DATE...9 MONTHS LATER....HER LITTLE "BROTHER" WAS BORN. THE CHART SHOWS SHE ALSO WAS NOT IN SCHOOL AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH. NO WONDER WE ALWAYS HEARD THE TALE HOW EVERYONE BROUGHT HER CLOTHS AND A CORSAGE FOR HER BABY "BROTHER." NOW THE TALES ARE MAKING SENCE AND NOTHING WAS AS IT SEEMED. MY TIME CHART HAS GIVIN ME THE...TRUTH......WHEN NO ONE ELSE WOULD!!! HUGS JANET

Hair,

How do this relate to you. Does this somehow tell you about your situation?

How did you get these records, especially the military records.

Donna

[HAIR127]

HI dpen6..... YES ...THE TIME CHART ALSO SHOWS ME WHERE EVERONE WAS THE YEAR I WAS BORN. AND ALSO MY LITTLE BROTHER. I THINK BOTH OF US ARE TERRYS KIDS. THE CHART SHOWS HOW TERRY CAME IN ON THE TRAIN FROM CHICAGO....IN 1952. WE PULLED HER BOYFREINDS MILITARY RECORDS AND HE TOOK A LEAVE THE SAME DATE AND THEY MET EACHOTHER IN WHITE CLOUD,MI. 9 MONTHS LATER MY LITTLE BROTHER WAS BORN.SUPPOSIVLY HES MY AMOMS KID. I DONT BELIEVE IT...I PULLED TERRYS BOYFRIENDS PICTURE FROM THE YEARBOOK AND HE LOOKS JUST LIKE MY BROTHER! I FOUND THE POLKS DIRECTORYS AT THE LIBRARYS. I FOUND THE MILITARY PAPERS AT THE COUNTY COURTHOUSE WHERE HE LIVED. I ASKED FOR HIS DD214 PAPERS.. ONE OF THE PAPERS EVEN HAS HIS BLOOD TYPE ON IT! I WROTE DOWN STORYS I HEARD IN THE FAMILY ACCORDING TO WHERE IT COULD HAVE TAKEN PLACE. FOR INSTANCE...MY AUNT ALICE HAD TWO CHILDREN IN MUSKEGON. WE HAD NO DATES. SO WE LOOKED IN THE POLKS DIRECTORY ,CAME UP WITH DATES SHE LIVED IN MUSKEGON..FILLED THEM IN ON THE TIME CHART AND DISCOVERED FROM THE POLKS THE MANS NAME SHE LIVED WITH. WE PUT THAT ON THE CHART. THEN PUT THE YEAR SHE MOVED AND FROM THERE WE COULD ABOUT GUESS WHAT YEAR THE 2 KIDS WERE BORN IN.(THAT ARE MISSING) IT SURE IS HARD TO EXPLAIN..BUT IT WORKS!!!! JANET

[LegallyKim]

Wow Janet! Its so sad that there are so many lies in your family. So if what you believe is true, your aunt (Terry) is really your mom and your Amom is really your aunt? Confusing! It sounds like your post is a continuation from some where else, so I may be behind on the details, but have you confronted your Amom with your Time Chart?

[StarryNight™]

I had to laugh at your post because I kept thinking She really needs to be a decective or at the very least a p.i. Gotta luv ya! I think it's awesome you were able to sort all of that out. So what's the next step? Make it known to people in the family you are aware of what really occured?

[HAIR127]

HI ALL AND STARRYNIGHT! FOR THE FIRST QUESTION...YES...I THINK TERRY IS MY MOM AND MY BROTHERS MOM. INSTEAD OF AMOM BEING MY AUNT...NO...LOL...SHES MY GRANDMA! SHES TERRYS MOTHER! THEREFORE MY AUNT IS MY MOTHER...MY MOTHER IS MY GRANDMOTHER...MY SISTER I THINK IS MY AUNT AND MY OTHER BROTHER..I THINK IS MY UNCLE! GOT IT..LOL....NUTS....I DONT THINK I COULD OF MADE THIS UP..EVEN IF I TRIED! YES...STARRY ID LOVE TO BE A PI. I CANT WAIT TILL I GET TO BE A SENIOR CITIZEN...THEN I CAN WORK ON THE COLD CASES IN GRAND RAPIDS..MICH. WHATS COOL ABOUT MY TIME CHART IS MY COUSINS AND I CAN EMAIL EACH OTHER AND THEY REMEMBER THIS AND THAT. I PUT IT ON THE TIME CHART. THEN I REMEMBER THIS AND MY SISTER(AUNT) REMEMBERS THAT TOO..SO WE ADD IT TO THE CHART. MY OLDEST COUSIN,MY SISTER AND I ALL REMEMBER WHEN A ATTORNEY UNCLE CAME TO MY AMOMS HOUSE...THEN WENT TO MY COUSINS MOMS HOUSE..THEN HE WENT TO LANSING. HE CAME IN FROM ILLIONIS. MY OLDEST COUSIN SAYS SHE OVERHEARD HER MOM AND THE ATTORNEY TALKING..SHE HEARD HIM TELL HER MOTHER THAT HE CAN CHANGE BIRTHCERTIFICATES...HES DONE IT BEFORE.(THIS WAS TERRYS HUSBAND) OUT OF ALL THREE OF US..WE ALL KNEW IT WAS 1956. SO DOWN ON MY TIME CHART IT GOES! YES I CONFRONTED BOTH MY MOTHERS...ONE SIDE OF THERE MOUTH SAYS ONE THING AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THEIR MOUTH SAYS NO...THIS ISNT TRUE.TERRY SAID 'I TOLD MARIE THAT IM OLD NOW IT DOEST MATTER...JANET IS YOUNG..SHE HAS HER WHOLE LIFE AHEAD OF HER!" MY AMOM SAID SCREAMING"YOU ALWAYS BELIEVED YOU WERE MY DAUGHTER. I HAVE TO NOW GET YOU BACK TO THE WAY I TAUGHT YOU TO THINK"> SCARRRRRRRRRY HUH?MY DAUGHTERS TOLD ME THAT GOD GAVE ME ALL THIS KNOWLEDGE BECAUSE I AM THE STRONGEST IN THE FAMILY...TO PURSUE IT. I HAVE SINCE 1993.ALL I KNOW IS THAT I HAVE 2 MOMS!!! HUGS JANET

[StarryNight™]

Janet, this thread never ceases to amaze me! So what was the logic one way or the other as to WHY you were adopted and raised by your amom? Have any clue as to the reasoning behind switching kids out?

[HAIR127]

STARRYNIGHT...YOUR FUNNY! LOL , YES..I THINK I KNOW THE ANSWER TO THAT. I REMEMBER WHEN I WAS LITTLE I WAS SUPPOSE TO BE THE FLOWER GIRL IN TERRYS WEDDING. MY LITTLE BROTHER WAS DROPPED OFF AT AMOMS HOUSE. AMOM REFUSED TO GO TO THE WEDDING BECAUSE PEOPLE WOULD PUT TWO AND TWO TOGETHER AND REALIZE THERE WERE 2 KIDS. ME AND MY BROTHER. SO NOONE WENT. MY RICH AUNT AND UNCLE THAT RAISED TERRY..WERE UPTY UPS. IT WOULD BE SHAMEFUL IF TERRY HAD 2 KIDS OUT OF WEDLOCK! HER RICH UNCLE WAS SUPPOSE TO GIVE HER AWAY AND HE WOULDNT DO IT! TERRY WAS IN AWE TO MARRY A LAWYER. SO THE COVERUP ...WAS MY BROTHER AND I LIVED WITH AMOM GRANDMA,THINKING SHE WAS OUR MOM. WHAT IS REALLY GREAT RIGHT NOW IS ....MY BMOM TERRY IS 71 AND................SHE STARTED THEOROPY A COUPLE WEEKS AGO! yes! HUGS....JANET

[LegallyKim]

Janet,

This is such an interresting thread. But it sounds like something out of a V.C. Andrews novel, rather than real life. Please tell us more. Do you think you ever lived as Terry's daughter, or were you Amom's daughter from birth? How much older are you than your brother. I wish I could see your chart because some of this is really confusing. Also do I understand correctly that you believe you were conceived by Terry being raped? Does your Amom(Grandma) just basically avoid the questions? How old is she? Sorry to ask so many questions but this story is so intriguing.

[StarryNight™]

LOL, so many questions so little time hehehe. Janet, why don't you just start from the beginning. As I have caught bits and pieces from previous posts. But I swear I seriously need to write down your chart just so I can keep up. This has got to be very confusing for you! Hugs to ya and Kudos for the deciphering all those cryptic statements from years past.

[bromanchik]

For some reason that song "I am my own Grandpa" keeps on rolling around my brain.......

[HAIR127]

HI ALL....YES THIS IS CONFUSING. IT TOOK ME YEARS TO LEARN DIFFERENT PIECES OF IT. IM GLAD GOD DIDNT GIVE ME THIS ALL AT ONCE..IT WOULD OF BLOWN ME AWAY! I THINK I MUST OF LIVED WITH TERRY AND THE RICH AUNT WHEN I WAS REALLY LITTLE. BECAUSE I HAVE A MEMORY WHEN AMOM AND ADAD TOOK US TO CHICAGO TO VISIT. I WAS SITTING ON THE FLOOR AND TERRY CALLED ME A DIFFERENT NAME AND SAID '"DONT YOU REMEMBER THE DOG...HE WAS YOUR BEST FRIEND." THEN AMOM SAID"LEAVE HER ALONE..SHE DOESNT REMEMBER..LET HER FORGET;" ALL THESE LITTLE MEMORIES...NOW MAKE SENSE. MY LITTLE BROTHER IS TWO AND A HALF YEARS YOUNGER THAN ME. I THINK HE WAS SHUFFLED BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN CHICAGO AND GRAND RAPIDS.UNTIL FINALLY THE LAWYER(TERRYS HUSBAND) ABUSED HIM AND BROKE HIS HAND. THEN THEY GAVE HIM TO AMOM AND DAD AND STARTED A FAMILY OF THEIR OWN. HOW WE DISCOVERED HIS HAND IS.....THERE ARE PICTURE THAT TERRY GAVE US...ON THIS ONE ALL 4 OF US KIDS WERE STANDING IN THE FRONT YARD..IN FRONT OF AMOMS HOUSE. KEN(THE LAWYER) BROUGHT MY LITTLE BROTHER TO MICHIGAN WITH HIM. THE LAWYER WAS ON HIS WAY TO LANSING(TO CHANGE BC'S WE THINK) WELL...IN THIS PICTURE I REMEMBER THINKING..."THIS IS A FAKE PICTURE AND IM GOING TO REMEMBER THIS ALL MY LIFE" AND THE MINUTE I SAW THAT PICTURE YEARS LATER ...I REMEMBERED WHAT I WAS THINKING! I THOUGHT THAT WAY BECAUSE THE LAWYER HAD ALL OF US KIDS LINED UP...AS IF WE ALL BELONGED THERE. FAKE!!! MY BROTHERS HAND LOOKED ODD IN THE PICTURE...SO WE RENTED A OVERHEAD PROJECTOR TO BLOW UP THE PICTURE. HIS HAND WAS HUGE! IT WAS EITHER BROKE OR ????? ANYWAY LATER I SHOWED TERRY THE PICTURE AND SAID"WHAT HAPPENED TO MY BROTHERS HAND" SHE SAID "OH..KEN DID THAT"(THE LAWYER) WE REALLY BELIEVE THAT WAS WHEN TERRY MADE THE CHOICE TO GIVE HIM TO AMOM. ACTUALLY TO PROTECT HIM FROM KENS RAGE. DO I THINK TERRY WAS RAPED..TO CONCEIVE ME? IM NOT 100% SURE ..BUT I THINK MY ADADS BROTHER ...HAD TO DO WITH MY CONCEPTION. LONG STORY. BUT...TERRY HAD BEEN RAPED YEARS BEFORE THIS AT ONLY 12 YEARS OLD BY A MAN THAT LIVED WITH A AUNT. TO THIS DAY.... SHE WILL BE 72 NEXT WEEK...SHE IS STILL HAUNTED BY THAT RAPE. MY AMOM IS 87 IN APRIL. I NO LONGER PRESSURE HER TO TELL ME ANYTHING. I JUST LET IT GO AND LOVE BOTH MY MOMS. WHEN I FIRST CONFRONTED HER ON IT....SHE YELLED AND SCREAMED AND SLAMMED MY FRONT DOOR AND SAID"IM NOT GIVING ANY OF MY CHILDREN BACK TO NOONE!!!!!!!. SO AFTER TRYING FOR YEARS TO GET HER TO TELL ME SOMETHING...I GAVE UP. I LISTEN TO EVERYTHING SHE SAYS NOW AND IF IT PERTAINS TO MY STUFF AND MY BROTHERS..I DOCUMENT IT..WHAT WAS SAID...WHEN AND ADD IT TO MY TIME CHART.MY TIME CHART CLEARS UP SO MUCH OF THE CONFUSION AND YOU CAN SEE HOW EVERYTHING PLAYS OUT. I WISH THERE WAS A WAY TO SHOW MY TIME CHART ON HERE...ILL ASK MY BROTHER IF ITS POSSIBLE...... SO THERE IS ANOTHER PIECE....TO MY STORY. ...ILL TELL YOU SOMETHING LAUGHABLE...MY ADAD LOVED TERRY AND WHEN HE FOUND OUT HIS BROTHER RAPED HER?????? HE KICKED HIM OUT OF HIS HOUSE FOR YEARS. THEN YEARS LATER ADAD SAID HE WAS GIVING BACK A FLIGHT JACKET AND GLOVES TO SOMEONE WHO OWED HIM MONEY. WELL...THE MILITARY FLIGHT JACKET AND GLOVES WERE HIS BROTHERS!!!! WHEN HE MET HIS BROTHER FOR THE FIRST TIME AFTER ALL THOSE YEARS ..HE MET HIM AT BOSTWICK LAKE INN. ADAD BROUGHT A FRIEND WITH HIM. WHILE ADAD SAT IN THE BAR WAITING FOR HIS BROTHER...HIS FRIEND WAITED OUTSIDE. WHEN THE BROTHER FINALLY CAME..THE FRIEND OF MY ADAD DROVE OR PUSHED MY ADADS BROTHERS CAR INTO THE LAKE. REVENGE...... I WONDER IF HES MY DAD. HUGS JANET

[LegallyKim]

Okay, so you think Amom is Terry's Mom but you don't think ADad is Terry's Dad? Who is Terry's Dad? This is so much more complex than just a V.C. Andrews novel. Its more like a soap opera. (And I certainly don't mean to make light of your situation) How many siblings do you have? Pushing ADad's Brother's car in the lake is really quite funny. Have you considered him your Uncle all your life then? Is your brother whom you think is Terry's son, interrested in all of this also or does he just accept things as they are? Next chapter please.............

[HAIR127]

HI AGAIN...THIS ISNT CONFUSING TO ME....BECAUSE I LIVED IT.!! IT IS VERY CONFUSING FOR PEOPLE WHO LISTEN TO ME TELL IT. ITS MUCH EASIER FOR THEM TO DEAL WITH MY TIME CHART. LIKE I SAID TO MY BROTHER..IT WOULD BE TOO CONFUSING AS A BOOK...IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A SERIES. I TOLD HIM RICHARD GERE WOULD HAVE TO PLAY HIM!!!! ANYWAY BACK TO THE QUESTIONS. TERRY ASKED ME THE SAME THING AFTER I TOLD HER I THINK SHE IS AMOMS DAUGHTER. SHE SAID...."WHO DO YOU THINK IS MY DAD?" I TOLD HER IT IS A TOSS UP BETWEEN AMOMS HIGH SCHOOL TEACHER....DUANNE STEVENS....OR JUNIOR SUTTON. THE BOY THEY TOLD AMOM WAS NOT COMING HOME FROM THE WAR....BECAUSE HE WAS KILLED!!!!! LIES!!!!! WE SPOKE TO HIS RELATIVES AND HES ALIVE!!!!! AMOM WAS SHOCKED WHEN I TOLD HER THAT HE WAS ALIVE! WHY I THINK IT MAY BE ONE OR THE OTHER...AMOM USED TO TELL US HOW MUCH SHE LOVED HER HIGH SCHOOLL TEACHER AND HE USED TO CALL HER HONEY...SWEETHEART BEHIND HIS WIFES BACK. THEN AMOM HELPED DUANNES WIFE AROUND THE HOUSE...WHEN SHE WAS PG. AFTER SHE LOST THE BABY...SHE ASKED AMOM IF SHE WANTED HER MATERNITY CLOTHS.??????ODD..UNLESS AMOM WAS PG THEN. OR THE OTHER MAN JUNIOR USE TO SIT IN THE RESTRAUNT WHERE AMOM USED TO WORK AS A YOUNG GIRL. SHE SAID HE WAS THERE TO PROTECT HER FROM THE MEN BECAUSE SHE WAS VERY BEAUTIFUL. THIS IS THE MAN THEY TOLD HER WAS DEAD. NEXT QUESTION.....HOW MANY SIBLING.... I GREW UP WITH A OLDER BROTHER ...A OLDER SISTER.....THEN ME .. LAST MY LITTLE BROTHER. DID I CONSIDER MY UNCLE AS MY UNCLE ALL MY LIFE? YES..UNTIL ALL THIS STARTED UNFOLDING. THINGS STARTED POINTING TO HIM BEING MY DAD. EVEN MY LITTLE BROTHER SAID "YOU KNOW EVERYTHING POINTS TO UNCLE BEING YOUR DAD.' I SAID I KNOW. MEMORIES...HOW IN 5TH GRADE MY AMOM AND ADAD DROVE ME TO BIG RAPIDS..TO GIVE ME TO UNCLE. HE DIDNT WANT ME. HIS WIFE DIDNT LIKE KIDS. BUT HE WAS VERY KIND TELLING ME. OTHER THINGS HAPPENED WITH UNCLE THAT DIDNT MAKE SENSE TO ME UNTIL NOW. MY AMOM WANTED ME TO GO TO MY "MEAN" GRANDFATHERS FUNERAL..BECAUSE SHE SAID UNCLE IS GOING TO BE THERE AND WANTS TO SEE YOU. STRANGE.......I WAS ABOUT 21 THEN...WHEN I GOT OUT OF THE CAR YOU SHOULD OF SEEN THE WAY UNCLE LOOKED AT ME! AND HE LOOKED JUST LIKE MY ADAD. IT FLIPPED ME OUT! MAYBE HE LOOKED AT ME LIKE THAT BECAUSE I LOOK LIKE TERRY? TERRY WAS THERE TOO. SHE WAS ON THE BED PUTTING ON MAKEUP...DOING HER HAIR..TO LOOK BEAUTIFUL FOR SOME MAN THAT WAS THERE! WHO???UNCLE.WAS SHE RAPED BY HIM OR WAS SHE IN LOVE WITH HIM? HE WAS BORN IN 1914 AND SHE 1932. THATS A BIG DIFFERENCE WHEN SHE WAS ONLY 18 WHEN SHE WAS PG WITH ME. 19 AT MY BIRTH. IS HE MY DAD... I THINK SO. TERRY ALSO NAMED MY LITTLE BROTHER AFTER HIM. NOW THE INTERESTING QUESTION.....IS MY LITTLE BROTHER INTERESTED IN THIS OR ACCEPT THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE. IN 93 WHEN ALL THIS STARTED BUBBLING UP ...HE WAS ALL ENTHUSED. WE WENT TO CHICAGO PULLING WILLS..LOOKING FOR ONE AUNT..THAT WE WERE SURE WOULD TELL US. WE DIDNT FIND HER. BUT A DETECTIVE FOUND ME A YEAR LATER TO TELL ME SHE WAS DEAD. HER GIRLFREINDS..HIRED HIM BECAUSE THIS AUNT WOULD NOT TELL ANYONE WHO HER FAMILY WAS! SHE LEFT 100,000.00 TO HOSPICE. HOW THE DETECTIVE FOUND ME...IS HE WENT TO WHITE CLOUD LIBRARY AND THE LADY IN THE GENELOGY SECTION TOLD HIM THAT 2 GIRLS WERE UP THERE A LOT GETTING INFO ON THE ANDERSON GIRLS. SHE LOOKED IN HER "SIGN IN LOG."..AND FOUND ME AND MY NUMBER. THE GIRLFRIEND CAME TO G.R. AND GAVE ME A PHOTO ALBULM OF HER LIFE. WHICH YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT THAT PHOTO ALBULM HELD!THAT IS A LONG STORY! IT SENT US IN ALL DIFFERENT DIRECTIONS! IN THE MEANTIME MY LITTLE BROTHER LEARNED WHO HIS DAD MIGHT BE. ANOTHER STORY! NOW MY BROTHER HAS REMARRIED AND HE IS CAUGHT UP IN HIS LIFE TO A WOMEN HE IDOLIZES BECAUSED SHE RAISED 9 KIDS..FOSTER...ADOPTED..HER OWN..YOU NAME IT. SO HIS ATTENTION IS ON THAT RIGHT NOW..WHILE I KEEP SEARCHING FOR ANSWERS. DOES ANYONE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE PHOTO ALBU.....HUGS JANETM....LOL

[bromanchik]

Originally posted by HAIR127
DOES ANYONE WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THE PHOTO ALBU.....HUGS JANETM....LOL

Why not? This has been fascinating.