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09-27-2009, 10:54 AM
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Public Ministry report to PGN?? Don't get it...
Does anybody have experience with PGN asking for a report from the Public Ministry? I'm still in process, and someone from PGN told me that now ALL cases have to get a report from the Public Ministry before they can sign off at PGN. Anybody have more specific information about WHY this is going on and how long it might take? Are there other folks still in process here who are dealing with this or who have recently dealt with it? What is the Public Ministry, anyway?
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Aug 26, 2007 - First heard about Debora Aug 27 - "THE" e-mail, phone call Sept 13 - 17 - 1st visit to CB; MET DEBORA!  Oct 26 - 28 - 2nd visit to sign P.O.A.Oct 30 Home Study complete! Nov 22 (Thanksgiving) - Dossier received in Guatemala! Dec 27 - Jan 1, 2008 3rd visit Dec 28- In PGN Jan 3, 2008 - Submitted to US Embassy for PA ... waiting... Feb 12- Reg CNA Feb 29 - PGN wants special needs awareness letter March 26 - I-72 From USE June 9 - 17 - 4th visit July 26 - Complications...appeals made to original COA judge... Oct 21 - Perdida de patria y potestad needed... will likely take a year! Nov 27 - Dec 1 - 5th visit (Thanksgiving) April 3, 2009 - PRE-APPROVAL! July 16 - 21 6th visit Oct - Need report from MP, still being reviewed in PGN, Minors Department Dec 2 - Released from Minors! 
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09-27-2009, 04:54 PM
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Yes, unfortunately this is the case for many of us left in process. The new section of PGN headed by Lica. Guevara will request a "trata de persona" from the Ministerio Publico. The MP will then look at their files and see if there are any reports regarding the child being adopted. After their internal file review, the MP will then send a report back to Guevara in PGN and she will then send your file back up to regular PGN for approval.
We have no idea how long this process is going to take although we always hope it would be quicker. There is a discussion thread on Guatadopt regarding this in the PGN forum.
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Referral: 9/4/2007  1/12/08: PA!!!!  2/13/08: Investigation!!!! Not in PGN yet  2/29/08: Hearing....OH WAIT, NO...the Judge didn't have time to read the materials. We need to reschedule!  5/16/08: Judge wants another DNA test and the results need to come from Spain. Timeframe: 5 months 9/12/08: BMI 2/25/09: Final Court Hearing - Judge says we can continue!  3/20/09: Decree is in hand! Goodbye Judge!!! Hello PGN! 3/30/09: After 407 days of waiting...we've been submitted to PGN!!!  4/15/09: PGN Kickout - 5 Previos!!!!!!!!! 5/15/09: PGN Resubmit 7/7/09: PGN Kickout - 2 Previos!! 8/26/09: PGN Resubmit 10/30/09: Out of Minors PGN and into "regular" PGN 10/30/09: PGN Kickout - need 4 reports from MP, Social Work, Psychology, and Family Court 11/18/09: 4 documents received at PGN 11/24/09: Told that we are waiting for final signature - not confirmed with PGN Waiting to exit PGN.
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09-28-2009, 05:26 PM
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Thanks for the info. Looking at your sig, I notice that we've both been in process about the same length of time. Wow... could they possibly make this process any more complicated??? First they said we were "grandfathered" under the old laws, then they added all these new hoops! Any idea what the purpose of the "trata de persona" is? I'm assuming it's another layer of protection for birth mothers? And how do they decide which cases need to go to that particular section of PGN? Is this truly something that ALL cases have to go through now, or just a "lucky" few like ours?
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Aug 26, 2007 - First heard about Debora Aug 27 - "THE" e-mail, phone call Sept 13 - 17 - 1st visit to CB; MET DEBORA! Oct 26 - 28 - 2nd visit to sign P.O.A.Oct 30 Home Study complete! Nov 22 (Thanksgiving) - Dossier received in Guatemala! Dec 27 - Jan 1, 2008 3rd visit Dec 28- In PGN Jan 3, 2008 - Submitted to US Embassy for PA ... waiting... Feb 12- Reg CNA Feb 29 - PGN wants special needs awareness letter March 26 - I-72 From USE June 9 - 17 - 4th visit July 26 - Complications...appeals made to original COA judge... Oct 21 - Perdida de patria y potestad needed... will likely take a year! Nov 27 - Dec 1 - 5th visit (Thanksgiving) April 3, 2009 - PRE-APPROVAL! July 16 - 21 6th visit Oct - Need report from MP, still being reviewed in PGN, Minors Department Dec 2 - Released from Minors!
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09-29-2009, 08:06 AM
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From what I've heard, this step with the MP is for all cases still in PGN. It is another layer of protection for both the child and birth mother. The PGN wants to make sure that there isn't corruption in any of the cases that they approve. So, they want this MP report to indicate that there are no outstanding reports related to the chlild in process.
It is frustrating and it feels as though we are asked to jump through more hoops in order to bring our children home. I hope that this is the last hoop we need to jump through as "grandfathered" cases.
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Referral: 9/4/2007 1/12/08: PA!!!! 2/13/08: Investigation!!!! Not in PGN yet 2/29/08: Hearing....OH WAIT, NO...the Judge didn't have time to read the materials. We need to reschedule! 5/16/08: Judge wants another DNA test and the results need to come from Spain. Timeframe: 5 months 9/12/08: BMI 2/25/09: Final Court Hearing - Judge says we can continue! 3/20/09: Decree is in hand! Goodbye Judge!!! Hello PGN! 3/30/09: After 407 days of waiting...we've been submitted to PGN!!! 4/15/09: PGN Kickout - 5 Previos!!!!!!!!! 5/15/09: PGN Resubmit 7/7/09: PGN Kickout - 2 Previos!! 8/26/09: PGN Resubmit 10/30/09: Out of Minors PGN and into "regular" PGN 10/30/09: PGN Kickout - need 4 reports from MP, Social Work, Psychology, and Family Court 11/18/09: 4 documents received at PGN 11/24/09: Told that we are waiting for final signature - not confirmed with PGN Waiting to exit PGN.
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09-30-2009, 10:13 AM
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Just a quick note to say I'm sorry you're going thru all this. *hug*
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Mommy to C&C  Still praying...for 1 more 10/17/07-Found you 10/22-It's official 11/12-rec COA 12/21-entire dossier rec'd by atty 12/22-subm for PA 1/23/08-agency says case in "grave jeopardy" 2/12-rec PA 2/15-FLOP-WHY 8/6-begged agency for atty to establish case w/CNA 8/13-agency says 'not likely' b/c we didn't VISIT ...new atty=new hope 10/13-new atty talks to CNA->We qualify for regularization 10/21-Confirmed COA from agency is not a COA. Never even filed 11/5-prior atty wants to "check" on us.Tells new atty he was never pd by agency! Agrees to give our file IF we release him of all liab  1/6/09-rec the real COA! Petition to be filed with CNA tomorrow!  2/10-'old' atty won't release our file...w/out PAYING a fee! So much for release of liability  2/16-Agree to pay file ransom 4/29-File FINALLY given to new atty 5/19-CNA officially approves us to begin adoption; accepts dossier NOW MORE HOOPS 
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