Family Forums
Parenting Forums
Pregnancy Forums
Adoption Forums
Fertility Forums






Members List Photos Events Local Adoption Support Search Arcade Reviews Membership Upgrade
Welcome to the Forums. Register
If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ. You may have to register before you can post or search: click here to proceed. To start viewing messages, select a forum below that you would like to view or click View All of Todays Posts.
Forum Categories
User Name
Password

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-06-2007, 08:55 AM
merrillbears's Avatar
merrillbears merrillbears is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 155
Total Points: 11,909.34
Donate
OT -- The View discussion on Adoption

So, during Hot Topics today Barbara Walters brought up the fact that in all the articles about Sen. Larry Craig it mentions that his two children are adopted. As an adoptive mother herself, this bothers her. She questioned why the term "adopted" had to be placed before "child". She didn't like it when the term was used to describe herself and her daughter, and it still bothers her.

Whoopi had an interesting take. She sees the term as a dig. She compared the term to the term "African American." Whoopi's take is that any time you put a word in front of "American" you are distinguishing, and not in a good way, as the person being an other. As if she is less American, because she is African American. She then said that she thinks the same seperation is made with the term "adopted child", as if that child is not fully yours because he or she is adopted.

Of course, both women were more eloquent with their comments than I have reitterated here. However, the discussion did make me pause and think. What are y'all's thoughts? Did anyone else see the show?
__________________
Beckie
http://merrillbears.blogspot.com
Reply With Quote
Click Here for More Information
Guatemala Adoption Information
Become an adoption forums premium member to enjoy these Membership Benefits:
  • Remove Advertising
  • Unlimited Arcade
  • Unlimited Attachments
  • Increased PM Storage
  • Calendar Posting
  • Larger Avatars
  • Personal Page
  • Just $19.95 / yr!

  #2  
Old 09-06-2007, 09:41 AM
Dmitry'smom's Avatar
Dmitry'smom Dmitry'smom is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 459
Total Points: 21,765.53
Donate
I saw the View this morning too. This is one of my biggest gripes, I am very proud of my son's adoption and we are very open about it however, I don't know why it has be distinguished as different.

My son has never once called for me by yelling "adoptive mommy" come here.... I am just a mom and he is just my sweet sweet little boy.

Hannah
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 09-06-2007, 09:51 AM
Saya's Avatar
Saya Saya is offline
Senior Member

Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 2,065
Total Points: 93,527.49
Donate
I didn't see the show, but I agree completely. It's really a pet peeve of mine. I hate how the media emphasizes it, and it really does seem to me to be in order to distinguish and downgrade families formed through adoption. And I think about what kind of support/education we need to give Anabel to help her overcome this negative media image.

Go Barbara and Whoopie!
__________________
Jillian
Anabel's mom
Daughter's DOB 4/18/2006
Receive referral 6/1/2006
HOME AS A FAMILY 12/23/2006

June 2009: Officially waiting for kiddo #2!
7/2009: Profiled - decide it's not the right fit for our family. Back to waiting!
10/2009: Profiled - not selected. Back to waiting!
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 09-06-2007, 09:52 AM
Gatos's Avatar
Gatos Gatos is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,102
Total Points: 39,260.10
Donate
Furthermore, it's inaccurate. Her child WAS adopted not IS adopted. Adoption describes the moment in time when that baby became yours. To continue to describe a child as an adopted child makes as much sense as describing a child as a c-section child or vaginally birthed child. Also, it's just plain unfair. When does that child get to be just a daughter? Never?

I agree with Whoopi. It is an attempt to lessen the relationship.
__________________
Laurie
3/10/06 baby girl born
10/12/06 in PGN
02/05/07 OUT!
home forever: 3/2:
baby's brother born02/26/07
in pgn: 9/17
KO: 10/4
resubmit: 10/12
OUT: 12/13/07
DNA at US Embassy: 1/17/08
Pink: 1/25/08
US Embassy appt: 2/11/08
http://web.mac.com/sdkatz/iWeb/Laura...Blog/Blog.html
Home! 2/13/2008
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 09-06-2007, 09:59 AM
WVUMom418's Avatar
WVUMom418 WVUMom418 is offline
WVU Mom but MD resident

Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 4,209
Total Points: 1,683,704.89
Donate
I felt the same way when Tom Cruise and Katie Holmes were getting married. They always referenced Tom's adopted children with Nicole Kidman, why can't it just be that he has 2 children with his previous wife.
__________________
Joan

OUR BLOG

Mom to bio son - 23 years,
bio princess - 6 years old
__________________________________________________ _______
1st referral - 2/4/05
Lost referal after 3 months
New referral - 5/12/05
Home Forever 12/29/05

__________________________________________________ _______
Accepted referral - 2/13/07
DNA Auth 6/14/07
DNA Test Done 6/20/07
PA - 9/2/07
Out of F/C: 9/13/07
In PGN: 10/3/07
KO: 10/17/07
Resubmitted: 11/30
KO #2: 12/18
Resubmitted: 2/28/08
With 2nd Review: 3/27/08 - finally
FINALLY OUT - 4/21
Antigua BC and passport: 5/7
2nd DNA auth: 5/20
Judge orders that none of the Semillas children can leave the country: 5/20
2nd DNA done: 6/6
MP orders birthmom interviews of all Semillas kids: 6/6
DNA results at Embassy: 6/11
PINK: 6/13
appt moved 4x because order is still in place.
Visa appt: 7/29/08
Home without my daughter: 8/1/08
Finally a complete family: 3/25/09
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 09-06-2007, 10:13 AM
KKR213's Avatar
KKR213 KKR213 is offline
John's Mommy
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 4,524
Total Points: 3,692.79
Donate
I didn't see it either but agree completely. John is my son PERIOD!

And since Nicole Kidman was mentioned...does it bug anyone else that recently she stated that she yearns to have a baby and would be sad if she didn't have one. And yes, she may mean just have a child with her new husband and that is fine. Except it seems as though Cruise and Katie Holms have custody of her children with Cruise. She almost never seems to be with them. Ok...just something I noticed.
__________________
Kathy

10/18/05 Referral received - Baby Boy (DOB 9/24/05)
4/8/06 Home Forever!!!!
2/5/06 Readoption Complete

http://john-carlos.blogspot.com/


Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 09-06-2007, 10:18 AM
wildboyz2's Avatar
wildboyz2 wildboyz2 is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 781
Total Points: 40,191.60
Donate
It does really bother me that in the media that they emphasize the fact the child is adopted. I don't know if you all remember this but when George Burns died they had a big write up but had a very short sentence about his son. They said something about George Burns' adopted son. This person was 80 some years old and they still couldn't refer to him as just his child? Sad!
__________________
Melody
2 Bio DS
Micah Canaan (11-13-02) Liam Gabriel (03-15-05)
Application mailed 10-10-06
#1 Homestudy interview 11-07-06
#2 HS scheduled 11-17-06
Walked in I 600A form 12-12-06
Mailed Authentication papers to Embassy 01-08-07
Miriana Evangeline (12-16-06)
Referral 01-10-07
DNA Authorization 2-2-07
FC 2-15-07
DNA and SWI scheduled 3-05-07
DNA 99.8% MATCH 3-12-07
Out of FC 4-06-07
PA 5-09-07
Enter PG- 5-22-07
OUT 08-03-07
Submitted for Pink 08-14-07
DNA sample taken 08-22-07
DNA to USE 09-04-07
Appointment 09-24-07 FINALLY!!!!
HOME 09-26-07
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 09-06-2007, 10:22 AM
Soccermomtobe's Avatar
Soccermomtobe Soccermomtobe is offline
Junior Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Posts: 16
Total Points: 2,406.66
Donate
Go Barbara!

As an adoptee, this has bothered me for a long time. I remember specifically when Carroll O'Conner's (Archie Bunker) son died the media kept referring to him as his "adopted son." His son was in his mid-40s at the time! Why did they feel they have to point out he was adopted? Do they think his father's grief at the loss was less because he was adopted? This just bugs me.

Actually, I just went to look at Carroll O'Conners biography on some Web site and it says "Carroll and Nancy are the adopted parents of actor Hugh O'Conner." So annoying.
__________________
12/12/06 Accepted referral (born 11/11/06)
5/29 OUT of PGN
6/29/07 Home Forever
Reply With Quote
Click Here for More Information

  #9  
Old 09-06-2007, 10:24 AM
jordi jordi is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 356
Total Points: 26,378.99
Donate
I agree

I notice that when crimes are reported in the media, if the perpetrator had been adopted, then they always seem to point that out. There was a recent story, but I can't remember it, or I'd reference it, sorry (I think it was on Good Morning America). But I remember that the adoption had nothing to do with anything, but they mentioned it, and I remember thinking how they never report that the perpetrator was born through vaginal or c-section birth.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 09-06-2007, 10:30 AM
merrillbears's Avatar
merrillbears merrillbears is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2005
Posts: 155
Total Points: 11,909.34
Donate
A funny comment that Joy Behr made was with the rise of fertility treatments are we supposed to refer to those babies as test-tube babies or sperm bank babies? That would be so insensitive and wrong. Just like forever referring to our children as adopted is wrong. I'm a proud mother of two children born in Guatemala but they are 100% my children and that's that!

We should all write to The View and thank them for getting this right! Especially since I think they flubbed last year's discussion on adoption (in reference to Madonna's).
__________________
Beckie
http://merrillbears.blogspot.com
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 09-06-2007, 11:01 AM
MNStarr's Avatar
MNStarr MNStarr is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 824
Total Points: 19,625.17
Donate
It really irritates me too. I can't think of the name but one of our former Presidents died within the last year and when it listed his children it was like so and so and adopted daughter... I mean what difference does it make. Why the need to point it out when ALL of his children are mourning his death?
__________________
3/1/06 Home with our little Guatling, Olivia
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 09-06-2007, 11:11 AM
MiniSnowta's Avatar
MiniSnowta MiniSnowta is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 462
Total Points: 20,007.17
Donate
I saw the View...

and I have to agree with Barbara. It is offensive to me as an adopted child myself, and adoptive parent that the differentiation is made. I am my mothers daughter...regardless of how I got there. Our media does us a great dis-service consistantly on so many levels. This is another example of their idiocy.

My sister, who is black, and was also adopted agrees with Whoopi in terms of her reference to the phrase "African American". She too, feels like why the differentiation?? It just continues to seperate a segment of our population.

Best regards to all.
__________________
Mariana home forever 4/20/05

Waiting for baby girl #2...
4-3-07 Accepted referral, baby girl born 1-1-07
6-20-07 171H received
8-3-07 DNA/SWI completed
8-05 to 8-11 VISITED baby girl
8-15-07 99.99% match
9-29-07 I-72 received
11-12-07 Exited Family Court
11-14-07 US Embassy rejects corrected docs AGAIN
12-10-07 US Embassy rejects corrected docs 3rd time
12-19-07 US Accepts corrected DOCS
12-21-07 PA
01-01-08 Happy 1st B-day little one
02-12-08 CNA Registration
03-10-08 In PGN
04-03-08 Kickout of PGN
Waiting to get into PGN
05-17-08 Birth Mother missing
08-31-08 Birth Mother found last minute and interviewed, back into PGN
09-??-08 Exited PGN
Birth Cert coming from Malactacan
10-??-08 LOST EMMA....taken by PGN...heartbroken

Mini
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 09-06-2007, 12:24 PM
Carlee1boy's Avatar
Carlee1boy Carlee1boy is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 963
Total Points: 1,200,093.42
Donate
I agree! The only time I differentiate between my "bio" child and my "adopted children" is on this forum, and that's only for discussion purposes.
In fact, I have a shirt that reads, "YES, these are ALL my children." Teehee, a girl has to have some fun.
Carolyn
__________________
June 28, 2001/Birth of our bio.son
July 15, 2005/Home forever from Guatemala with son #2
March 15, 2006/Start adoption from South Korea!
May 18/Homestudy to Korea
June 12/Accepted referral of baby girl
July 21/Received I-797 finally!!!
September 25/Received I-600
September 27/Travel Call
September 29/United with our daughter
September 30/HOME to complete our family!
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 09-06-2007, 12:39 PM
daynesmom daynesmom is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 651
Total Points: 24,293.62
Donate
I saw this too and I couldn't agree more. Why do they always have to be the "adopted" one?

Like one post said, he is my son, and I am his mother, period.
__________________
Sarah
Mom to 2, ds 10/28/05 and ds (Guatemala) dob 6/28/06

4/3/06 Began Process
In PGN 5 1/2 months!!!!
Home Forever 4/24/07
7/5/07 "Re-Adoption" Day


Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 09-06-2007, 01:02 PM
KellyMigoya's Avatar
KellyMigoya KellyMigoya is offline
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,023
Total Points: 7,494.64
Donate
I definately feel that way. My daughter is just my daughter, no different from my sons. Adoption just describes her path to us and does not define who she is, her position in our family or what she means to us.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

Points Per Thread View: 1.00
Points Per Thread: 15.00
Points Per Reply: 5.00


All times are GMT -7. The time now is 03:38 AM.