[Mom2Colin]

I’m probably going to get slammed for this one… but if you don’t know, you should ask, right??

I don’t post much but I read daily. I’ve noticed various posts in which people have talked about “entering PGN without PreApproval.” I have read the process numerous times from numerous website – both private and governmental. Every place I look says explicitly that you will receive a previo if you do not have PA when submitted to PGN. It’s not an if, it’s a when. If the reviewer sees no PA, the file gets ko’d.

So here’s my question: why on earth do the attorney’s submit cases without PA? I realize that parents aren’t in control of their attorney’s (OBVIOUSLY), so this isn’t a personal attack on anyone. It just seems to me that it just adds to the backlog and logjam that is PGN. For those who have all of their documentation ready, we sit waiting to get into PGN or sit languishing in PGN while reviewers are reviewing uncompleted cases. Guatemalan officials end up wasting time reminding attorneys and their staff what is needed and when. Memos have to be typed; forms have to be filled out. It’s this kind of bureaucratic crap that slows the process down more than it has to be.

As someone who works in state government, I understand this oh too well. I spend more time requesting additional information, missing signatures, proper forms, etc. than I do actually doing my job on a daily basis. People get so angry when the process slows….. but it’s the people slowing it down!!

Okay rant over – I just thought I’d mention this in case anyone reading actually has the ability to talk to their attorney or might shed some light on the subject.

Best wishes to all in the wait – where ever that may be

[Jonni]

HI, Colin's Mom

I totally agree with you. It's ridiculous to submit cases w/o pre-approval. And I'm sitting in PGN right now without pre-approval! I should be getting PA any day, but I'll be waiting probably many weeks more before KO and resubmission to get everything in there together.

It's crazy....and senseless. The only way it would make be of any benefit would be IF a reviewer HAD to give you all the KO's at once. But they don't. You can get a KO for no pre-approval and be resubmitted and still get kickouts out numerous other times for other problems......sadly.

[BrandyHagz]

More recently, its because of the Hague thing - those 'in' PGN (even kicked out) are usually "grandfathered" - so attorneys will almost always submit just to have an "In PGN" date - in the event that Hague becomes an issue again (like it did in 2004) and grandfathering becomes a real issue.

Imagine how you would feel if you knew your attorney had your file, lacking the PA and you weren't submitted and that put a stop, for the most part, to your adoption...

[purplecat]

In my opinion, it buys the attorney more time, and not necessiarly to work on your case.

[DPline]

My understanding is that attorneys who submit without Preapproval believe that you will get all your previos at once - including the one for no Preapproval - and they can all be delt with at the same time. (Now why they aren't going in expecting that they have all their T's crossed and I's dotted I dont' know - but then again PGN is a very unpredictable thing.)

My personal impression is that this used to be more effective than it is now. PGN seems to be dragging more and more and becoming less and less predictable. But that is just my observation based on what I read here.

Brandy and PurpleCat do make excellent points as well.

[KevinK]

Brandy,

The Hague wouldn't make sense as a reason. First of all, Hague is the U.S. so doesn't involve the Guat side. Secondly, all past legislative proposals in Guatemala have grandfathered in any case where the POA and first acta (bio mom's consent) was registered. That happens long before Pre approval.

I think some believe they will get any other previos that occur. Plus it makes parents feel good to be able to finally be in PGN.

Just my opinion of course,

Kevin
Guatadopt.com

[Guatmom2006]

I won't slam you, I agree! I think it clogs up an already clogged system and the attorneys should not use PGN as proofreaders. That is not their job, and they should hire staff to do this. JMHO!

[DPline]

Originally Posted by Kevin K

First of all, Hague is the U.S. so doesn't involve the Guat side.

But it is still going to effect the entire process including the Guat side when it actually goes into effect. Hopefully everyone will be grandfathered in as they are saying at this point, but I would sure rather be farther along that not when the time comes. Or am I totally off base?

[alreadylove2005]

I agree with Kerry about proofreading....especially when so many people are kicked out because names are spelled wrong..... I guess I just don't understand because it doesn't seem like rocket science to get the names and dates right.

[jennynabee]

I agree with all of you. I am just trying to figure out why anyone gets a KO? Your order in should be your order out. This is so crazy and soooooooooooooo unpredictable! I was so bummed about my KO, I can't imagine going w/o a PA to just get KO'd.