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Attachment w/ FM vs. Hogar
I am just wondering how attachment issues might (or might not) be different if a child has been in foster care vs a hogar. Our son is in a Hogar and will be right around 9 months when he comes home. Any experiences would be helpful. Thanks!!
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Cheers, Ani 2.23.06 - Submitted HS to Agency/INS 3.01.06 - REFERRAL!! It's a Boy!! Born 1/26/06 3.24.06 - Recieved I-171H 6.??.06 - Out of Family Court! 6.14.06 - DNA taken finally!! 6.23.06 - IT'S A MATCH!!! ![]() 7.13 -18 - Awesome visit!!! 7.13.06 - Entered PGN!! 7.14.06 - Pre-Approval! (attorney must have picked it up before we rec'd e-mail!!) 8.25.06 - KO (should be resubmitted 8.29 or 8.30) 8.29.06 - RESUBMITTED to PGN!! 10.06.06 - OUT OUT OUT!!! 10.26.06 - PINK!!!!! 11.3.06 - 11.8.06 - PICK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!! 05.08.07 - bio daughter Sophia arrives - we are blessed with an Amazing Family!!!!
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Ani,
My son was in both. He spent the first 4 months in a small baby home and the next 3 with a foster mother (he was moved because the baby home closed). So we were his 4th placement. For most of you, you will be the 3rd placement. Remember from birthmom, to hogar, to you. As strange as it sounds, even if the child never lived with his birthmother...he remembers her voice and heartbeat and it IS a loss to him. I do believe that how children react is related to their personality. Some do fine, others don't. Just prepare yourself well....and things will work out. Parenting, whether adopted or biological, is always a challenge. The Forrest Gump saying about "life is a box of chocolates, you don't know what you are going to get" applies here!
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So true, it does depend on the child. One is definitely not better. I used to think so by my first adopted son was in the same foster home for 3 years and it was terrible care. I do think he would've been better off in a good hogar and I was mistaken in thinking foster care means no or less chance of attachment problems.
Good luck,
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Johnna Mom to three bios, ages 14, 11, 8 One Salvadoran sweetie, 4 (Referred 11/02-home 10/04), One Guatmalan prince, William, 1 (Referred 2/05-home 8/05), And our homegrown princess, Julianna, born 10/07 Yes my life is better left to chance I could have missed the pain but I'd of had to miss the dance Garth Brooks, The Dance |
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attachement issues are formed, due to a break in an attachment. All our children were at risk, due to having be removed from bmom, that was the break in attachment, no matter where they go..\
obviously the more placements, the more detached. Age is huge also. but like others have said, every child is different. My suggestion is to do attach parenting from the get go...better safe then sorry. congrats by the way |
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My daughter was in a hogar and we visited twice before bringing her home. We brought her home at at 14 months and luckily had no issues with attachment. She has been home for a little over 9 months and it has been an absolutely wonderful experience.
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Joan OUR BLOG Mom to bio son - 23 years, bio princess - 6 years old __________________________________________________ _______ 1st referral - 2/4/05 Lost referal after 3 months New referral - 5/12/05 Home Forever 12/29/05 ![]() __________________________________________________ _______ Accepted referral - 2/13/07 DNA Auth 6/14/07 DNA Test Done 6/20/07 PA - 9/2/07 Out of F/C: 9/13/07 In PGN: 10/3/07 KO: 10/17/07 Resubmitted: 11/30 KO #2: 12/18 Resubmitted: 2/28/08 With 2nd Review: 3/27/08 - finally FINALLY OUT - 4/21 Antigua BC and passport: 5/7 2nd DNA auth: 5/20 Judge orders that none of the Semillas children can leave the country: 5/20 2nd DNA done: 6/6 MP orders birthmom interviews of all Semillas kids: 6/6 DNA results at Embassy: 6/11 PINK: 6/13 appt moved 4x because order is still in place. Visa appt: 7/29/08 Home without my daughter: 8/1/08 Finally a complete family: 3/25/09
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Our youngest was in a great hogar until we brought her home at the age of six months. She was very loved and well cared-for at the hogar. When we were leaving several donas came up to her to kiss her goodbye. There were a lot of tears. Maria went through some grieving when we came home, but attached to us quickly. She is a total delight!
Our newest little one is with a foster family. We have not visted yet, but in the photos and video that we rec'd it appears that he's totally cherished. He's happy and chubby. I am expecting that he will have more of a grieving issue than Maria, but will also attach well. Who knows though, each child is different...and I wouldn't have it any other way. Jill
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Mom to Mike (9&1/2), Catie (7&1/2) y Maria (3)-home 9/04 dossier in Guatemala 3/06 I171-H 5/18/06 changed agencies 5/31 referral of darling baby boy 6/8/06 (born 5/12) DNA taken 7/5 in family court it's a match! 7/17 PA 8/2 Out of Family Court 9/7 In PGN 9/11 previo 10/30 right back in 10/31 previo 12/14 back in pgn 1/8/07 OUT!!! 2/22/07 submitted for pink 3/6 Pink!! 3/14/07 embassy appt 4/10 |
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Our first daughter was in the hospital for about two months, a hogar for about 3 or 4 months, and a foster home for about 1 or 2 months before she came home at 8 months. Because she had some medical issues, she was very loved and received lots of attention. When we picked her up, the nannies at the orphanage referred to her as "Miracle Maria" and just loved on her. Thankfully (& prayerfully), she had no attachment issues and bonded with us very quickly. As a matter of fact, just after three weeks, she started saying "Mama".
I will say from day one, and still to this day, she prefers myself over dh for some reason. It breaks his heart quite often.Our twin daughters just came home a month ago at 6 months old. So far, they are doing well. We're praying they continue to be okay and will have no attachment issues. They were loved and very well taken care of in the hogar. They were in a hogar from day one. I also think it depends on the child. I hope this helps...just wanted to share our experience since most children seem to be in foster care. I thought I would share our story since our children were in hogars.
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www.babyhomepages.net/kristykeith/index.php DD- GUA bday 12/13/04 Referral - 4/05/05 In PGN - 7/06/05 OUT of PGN - 7/18/05 (Amazingly only 2 weeks! God is good!!!) Home Forever - 8/05/05 DD's- GUA Twins (bday 3/15/06, referral) In PGN- 6/27/06 Visited girls - 7/12- 7/16/06 OUT of PGN- 8/17/06 Rec'd BC- 8/24/06 Rec'd PINK!! - 8/30/06 Embassy Appointment - 9/11/06 Home Forever- 9/13/06 Last edited by keithandkristy : 10-10-2006 at 02:24 AM. |
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Congratulations!!
Ani,
Congratulations on your OUT!!! Our son, Drew is at Eagle's Nest too! CONGRATULATIONS!!! Shelly
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July 18, 2006 - Referral of a precious baby boy, Drew Daniel born on July 12, 2006. November 13, 2006 - DNA Authorization November 14, 2006 - DNA and SWI completed November 20, 2006 - DNA Match...99.999% December 9-15, 2006 - Visit Trip!!! December 12, 2006 - PA December 28, 2006- Out of Family Court January 8ish, 2007 - PGN February 21, 2007 - Kicked out of PGN, but resubmitted the same day April 13, 2007 - Out of PGN!! May 8, 2007 - Passport May 17, 2007 - Submitted for PINK!! May 24, 2007 - PINK!! June 2, 2007 - June 6, 2007 - Embassy appointment June 8, 2007 - HOME!!
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Our three were all in a small private children's home and came at 4yrs, 4yrs, and 10yrs. No issues of attachment, except that we worked on it more specifically with a preadolescent girl than the 4yr old boys. Just to show that even as older children, they can and do come home ready to attach if they've attached to caregivers in their past.
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Our daughter was in a Foster home with a very loving FM and we visited twice. We are working on attachment issues with her.
Our son was in a Foster home as well and we visited him twice, we have not had any attachment problems with him.
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Whether you turn to the right or to the left, your ears will hear a voice behind you, saying “this is the way; walk in it.” Isaiah 30:21 December 2003 - Decided to adopt from Guatemala 10/15/05 Began Baby Girl 2/23 "chiquitita" Referral (dob 1/30)April to August: Stuck in PGN ![]() 8/29 Pink 9/7 Embassy Appointment 9/10 Home! Baby Boy 3/22 "chiquitito" Referral (dob 2/25)May to Aug: Stuck in PGN ![]() 8/23: Pink 9/7 Embassy Appointment 9/10 Home!
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Thank you all for your responses. I know each child is different, but it seems like it would be more difficult for a child to attach to a single person in a hogar (the one our son is in has ladies working and changing shifts around the clock). And, maybe they would love to finally have some one on one attention once they are with their family (BIG maybe!). So, my curiosity is how children do after being in a hogar. I would love to hear more stories from people who have experiences with children in hogars!
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Cheers, Ani 2.23.06 - Submitted HS to Agency/INS 3.01.06 - REFERRAL!! It's a Boy!! Born 1/26/06 3.24.06 - Recieved I-171H 6.??.06 - Out of Family Court! 6.14.06 - DNA taken finally!! 6.23.06 - IT'S A MATCH!!! ![]() 7.13 -18 - Awesome visit!!! 7.13.06 - Entered PGN!! 7.14.06 - Pre-Approval! (attorney must have picked it up before we rec'd e-mail!!) 8.25.06 - KO (should be resubmitted 8.29 or 8.30) 8.29.06 - RESUBMITTED to PGN!! 10.06.06 - OUT OUT OUT!!! 10.26.06 - PINK!!!!! 11.3.06 - 11.8.06 - PICK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!! 05.08.07 - bio daughter Sophia arrives - we are blessed with an Amazing Family!!!!
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You may want to look at other boards like China and Russia who have orphanages for information.
It is typically easier for a child who has bonded once (to a FM) to bond again. A child in an orphanage does not typically bond due to exactly what you said...there is not one single person who is answering their needs consistantly...so no bond can form. From A4everFamily.org - HOME Quote:
That is why it is so important to have you become the only one who takes care of the child in those first weeks or months (or longer depending on the child) home. The child needs to learn that you are not leaving, that you will be there each and every time they have a need and cry out...a child must first attach to a single caregiver before they can properly attach to anyone else. Attachment parenting is a great way to do this...as is keeping their world very small...cocooning. A hogar/orphanage baby is more 'at risk' for potential struggles with attachment. I have a DD who was in horrific conditions prior to her adoption, we never ever had a signle attachment issue with her...she has been home over 4 years. MY DS was in a great orphanage...it compares to any daycare in the US...he was just 8 months old the day before we got him...and it took almost 2 years to get a breakthrough with his attachment...and he should have sailed right through his transition. ***ETA***Based on the age of your child, you will most likely see a dependency bond...baby's instinct is to survive and baby will know that he needs you to survive...but that is not a true attachment. Attachment is a process of ups and downs, forward and backward movement that all the experts agree takes about two years to form...but a child can move thru this process without huge issues. Also be aware that there may be a honeymoon period where the child appears to be fine...that typically lasts about 4 to 8 months. After that time if behaviors begin to appear, attachment is a good place to start. Prepare now...just in case...because you will not know how your child will transition until you are home...and if they struggle there are some very simple things you can do to ease them...and yourself through the struggle.
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Proud Mommy to two...who have taught me I can not change their pasts but I can change me and the way I parent them~ *Yaya~My Siberian Sweetie ~born in 2001~Home 2002~Now 8 and a 'Tween', and in 3rd grade. She's all girl!!! *Bubbs~My Samaran Sunshine~born in 2003~Home 2004~now 6, in Kindy and such a sweet, silly & special boy! ![]() 'My wish, for you, is that this life becomes all that you want it to, your dreams stay big, and your worries stay small, You never need to carry more than you can hold, and while you're out there getting where you're getting to, I hope you know somebody loves you, and wants the same things too, Yeah, this, is my wish.' ~"My Wish" by Rascal Flatts Last edited by angelkisses0102 : 10-10-2006 at 02:38 PM. |
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Our son lived in a hogar for 11 months. He came home in June 2006. We've had no attachment issues at all. He knows who mommy and daddy are. He attached to me right from the beginning. He's getting closer to my husband the longer he's here with us. I really think it helped that I visited about a month before he came home, and I know he remembered me from that visit. My husband went on the pick-up trip by himself, but as soon as they arrived at the airport, Matthew came right to me without hesitating at all. Every child is different, but we haven't had any problems at all. Good luck.
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I will say from day one, and still to this day, she prefers myself over dh for some reason. It breaks his heart quite often.



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