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Old 09-04-2009, 05:32 PM
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S/O Is the Duggars religion anti-adoption?

I read this on another forum and wondering if anyone knows more about it...


The Duggars are followers of Bill Gothard (per their own web site, via the links to the Advanced Training Institute and Institute in Basic Life Principles) who is a major proponent of quiverfull. He is also the gem who came up with the idea that adoption is a no-no because children inhereit the sins of the parents (Dangerous Leanings of Bill Gothard’s Teachings) among other things.

Family Non Planning/Quiverfull a la Gothard, which the Duggars I guess subscribe to, is against adoption. Quiverfull as a movement is not. I think it is important distinction. The QF movement is about answering the spiritual call to grow your family.
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Old 09-04-2009, 06:33 PM
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i think there is an amom or hopeful amom around here named "Quiverfullmomma" or something. if she's still around, she may be able to help.
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Old 09-05-2009, 10:55 AM
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This guy is a loon. On small step to pure cult if you ask me.
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Old 09-05-2009, 11:50 AM
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Gothard is also the teacher of "blanket training" if I'm not mistaken.... google it.
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I'm not sure what your question is? Most people who are QF are not anti-adoption, but like most people I'm sure anyone can be mislead into believing nonsense like that, ie. Bill Gothard's teachings. I think the reason many people who are QF end up with large families of bio children is because a lot of people in general (Christian and non-Chrisitan alike) will rarely consider adoption as a means to build a family if they're not forced to by infertility or some other reason. I've found that the people who choose to adopt regardless of fertility status is very rare and often treated as a bit by other people who don't understand the desire to adopt.

ETA: I did a quick scan of the link you provided because I'm not familiar with his teachings and it doesn't say that he's anti-adoption. It says that he says that adopted children should be cleansed of the sins of their biological parents (which are apparently numerous ** roll eyes **) to make sure that the sins of the fathers are not passed on. That's all I got from that page, no anti-adoption sentiments. But, like I said, I just scanned it because I have no desire to spend more of my time reading his teachings.
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Old 09-05-2009, 12:15 PM
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Maybe in some areas...but I've found a lot of support and encouragement from co-workers and family with my decision to adopt as a single person without fertility issues. There are people that adoption comes to mind first

Then again I've always done things in life a little different and outside of the box so maybe I'm a little

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I'm not sure what your question is? Most people who are QF are not anti-adoption, but like most people I'm sure anyone can be mislead into believing nonsense like that, ie. Bill Gothard's teachings. I think the reason many people who are QF end up with large families of bio children is because a lot of people in general (Christian and non-Chrisitan alike) will rarely consider adoption as a means to build a family if they're not forced to by infertility or some other reason. I've found that the people who choose to adopt regardless of fertility status is very rare and often treated as a bit by other people who don't understand the desire to adopt.
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Maybe in some areas...but I've found a lot of support and encouragement from co-workers and family with my decision to adopt as a single person without fertility issues. There are people that adoption comes to mind first

Then again I've always done things in life a little different and outside of the box so maybe I'm a little

I know there are people who choose to adopt instead of having bio children or in addition to bio children. We have bio children and are treated as completely crazy for wanting to adopt, even by our social workers. Nobody understands WHY, like there should be lighting bolt coming down from heaven or something for our decision to make sense.
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Well, you sparked my interest, so I googled the guy. Because I like primary sources better than secondary sources, I looked at his own website first. Bill Gothard | Protection Under Authority Poked around a bit. Didn't mind his "charactor qualities" much. Agreed with most of them, but I had some problem with the antonyms. Didn't find much more on the website that I agreed with, and didn't find anything about adoption, but I certainly didn't look at the whole site.

Then googled "quiverfull" and good old wikipedia has a piece right on top. Wikipedia is a great resource, but it is written by whoever wants to write for it, and often it is not accurate. But this is what it says about adoption:

Adherents view barrenness, referred to as an "empty quiver" by adherents, as something to be accepted from God if that is His choice, while also making it a matter of prayer in the belief that God may wish to miraculously intervene. Infertility treatments are seen as a usurpation of God's providence and accordingly rejected. Adoption is viewed as a positive option in which couples also rely on God's providence to send children. Biblical references to God's love for the orphan and to the belief that persons are saved through adoption into God's family are often noted.

My problem with the teachings of Bill Gothard, and to an extent, my problems with the Duggard family, is the decision to not allow contact with anyone whose views challenge your own. And this is something I've thought a lot about over the past few days.

As a child growing up in a politically active family, I remember being in 2nd, 3rd and 4th grade, and sitting in silence listening to everything President Nixon said. (Yeah, I'm old). My parents would then dissect his words, and the meanings behind those words. I was taught to think critically. To listen to everything. To draw on evidence, and to form an opinion based on evidence. And to be willing to modify my opinions when new evidence appeared. In other words, I was encouraged to listen to and learn from those whose world views were very different from the world views of my parents. To listen critically.

Children growing in in family's like the Duggards are never exposed to anything outside of their own belief systems. I am guessing that they will be among the children forbidden from hearing President Obama's address to school children next Tuesday. They will be limited to secondary sources, or someone else's interpretation of events. I think that is very sad.
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Old 09-05-2009, 04:53 PM
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Maybe in some areas...but I've found a lot of support and encouragement from co-workers and family with my decision to adopt as a single person without fertility issues...
Your right, there are single mothers who choose adoption as their first choice. However, even in the "Choice Mom" community, about 70-80% choose sperm donation rather than adoption. Also, even in the LGBT community the vast majority of us (especially lesbians) don't choose adoption as our first choice - we turn to donor sperm or surrogacy arrangements. So SAVeronika does have a point, for most parents (especially those adopting domestically) adoption is generally a second choice (but not second best).
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However, even in the "Choice Mom" community, about 70-80% choose sperm donation rather than adoption.

As a single woman hoping to adopt, I find that very interesting. Would you mind telling me the source of the information.
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As a single woman hoping to adopt, I find that very interesting. Would you mind telling me the source of the information.
Its right on the Single Mother's By Choice website - Single Mothers By Choice -- FAQ . Here is a quote from them about the stats on their single moms.

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The average age of our members is 35, and nearly all have completed college or beyond. Almost half of our members are "thinkers" (as we call those women who have not yet decided whether or not they want to become single mothers) and the rest are trying to adopt or conceive, or are already mothers. About 52 percent of the mothers conceived a child by donor insemination, and approximately 25 percent have adopted. About 20 percent have become pregnant with a "known donor" or sex partner, although they are raising their child alone. We are a diverse group of women, including teachers, lawyers, doctors, bankers, nurses, business owners, and more. We are of all races, religions, ethnic groups, and lifestyles, from all over the United States and abroad. The main thing that we have in common is our belief that a woman can successfully raise a child on her own. Feel free to take a look at our pictures page for photos of some of our members and their children.
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Its right on the Single Mother's By Choice website - Single Mothers By Choice -- FAQ . Here is a quote from them about the stats on their single moms.

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Your right, there are single mothers who choose adoption as their first choice. However, even in the "Choice Mom" community, about 70-80% choose sperm donation rather than adoption. Also, even in the LGBT community the vast majority of us (especially lesbians) don't choose adoption as our first choice - we turn to donor sperm or surrogacy arrangements. So SAVeronika does have a point, for most parents (especially those adopting domestically) adoption is generally a second choice (but not second best).

No, no, definately not thinking that people who choose adoption after attempting other methods think it's second best

That's true. I actually thought about sperm donation a few years back and went back and forth, but decided that I've always been comfortable and positive about adoption so that was my thought process....

enjoyed reading the link.
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As a child growing up in a politically active family, I remember being in 2nd, 3rd and 4th grade, and sitting in silence listening to everything President Nixon said. (Yeah, I'm old). My parents would then dissect his words, and the meanings behind those words. I was taught to think critically. To listen to everything. To draw on evidence, and to form an opinion based on evidence. And to be willing to modify my opinions when new evidence appeared. In other words, I was encouraged to listen to and learn from those whose world views were very different from the world views of my parents. To listen critically.



Love the way you describe critical thinking...one of the most important things you can teach your children. Sounds like your parents were similar to my parents...

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I just recently watched an episode of the Duggars and they were in El Salvador working in orphanages for 2 weeks and it's my understanding they do this every year. The dad said, He could see some of his children adopting some day.
So I don't think the family is anti-adoption. It even showed the older girls crying having to leave those precious children.
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