[Fran27]

Yeah I react to vaccines pretty bad too. Usually a big sore lump for a week. Yikes. My kids were very grumpy for the first two sets, and nothing after that. I'm jealous, lol.

[aclee]

Originally Posted by oceanica

I don't know of any research linking autism to older moms and moms that use invitro or other methods for infertility.

I don't know of any research specific to autism and advanced maternal age, but I've heard the theory many times that the "old eggs" and "forced reproduction" are making babies that are more prone to illness etc.

Doesn't that make you feel all warm and cozy inside? In the end...it's always Mom's fault right?

[Stormster]

There is actually a new study proving a link between advanced PATERNAL age (sperm quality) and certain problems. I'll find it and post it in a bit.

Also alcoholic FATHERS there are mutations or whatever that effect the sperm and can effect the child's immune system.

So SOMETIMES it's the man. But rarely!

[aclee]

Originally Posted by Stormster

There is actually a new study proving a link between advanced PATERNAL age (sperm quality) and certain problems. I'll find it and post it in a bit.

Also alcoholic FATHERS there are mutations or whatever that effect the sperm and can effect the child's immune system.

So SOMETIMES it's the man. But rarely!

it's the guy when gender is choosen too, and HOW many women through the ages have gotten blamed for no sons? Sorry...I don't mean to men bash. I love men! (well my 2 anyway!)

Genetic Link info:
The first autism disease genes

[Leigh131313]

it's the guy when gender is choosen too, and HOW many women through the ages have gotten blamed for no sons?

Tell that to a certain king and his many beheaded wives...lol

[Stormster]

Originally Posted by Leigh131313

Tell that to a certain king and his many beheaded wives...lol

From Autism to King Henry VIII in ten posts or less....

We sure to get around on this forum!

[nikkianni]

Totally O/T, but we adopted DD and DH's stupid great uncle still blamed me because she's a girl.
Like there's anything wrong with that! That was the point DH finally told him to take a leap. The old coot.

Anybody ever play Makin' Bacon? LOVE that game.

[devildogwife]

Originally Posted by nikkianni

Totally O/T, but we adopted DD and DH's stupid great uncle still blamed me because she's a girl.
Like there's anything wrong with that! That was the point DH finally told him to take a leap. The old coot.

Anybody ever play Makin' Bacon? LOVE that game.

Okay, that's kinda funny. And yep, pretty stupid.

[cksmom]

Hi,

I asw this thread on the main forum page. I am actually an adoptee but my bio son has Autism. I firmly believe that the combination of the flu shot and 4 vaxes in one visit triggered his ASD (autism spectrum disorder). He lost words and lots of skills, eye contact and was just different after that visit. I have done quite a bit of research on this. Spreading out the vaxes and delaying is the safest way to go IMO. The vax schedule has doubled in the last 10 years and I believe tripled on the last 20 years. Don't quote as I am pretty sure that is accurate but I can't site it right now. Yes, therimosol was ordered to be removed from production of vaxes in 2000 BUT there was still years left of supply containing the mercury on the shelves. My son was born 11-03 and there was still vaxes left with therimosol. The flu shot he received in '05 was from the adult supply as that year the supply was scarce and kids and elderly were given anything that was available. Regardless of the thermisol, there is still a great deal of toxins in the vaxes and the environment that some small children cannot handle and their little immune systems are too immature to release toxins on their own. The toxins remain in the body causing damage a.k.a ASD.

I am not anti-vax at all. I just think the vax schedule pushed on us by our peditricians is just too agressive and fast for the little ones. Why do we need to cram it all in the first 24 months of life? Dr. Sears has a wonderful schedule that is much safer. You have every right to delay and refuse vaccinations. No doc can inject your child without your signature. Just be careful and be informed. So for many kids with ASD, gentics loaded the gun and the environment pulled the trigger.

My son is beautiful, smart and the light of our life. he is happy and sweet. But we have to teach everything all over again to him. He is almost 5 but developmentally he is about 2. It's so hard to watch him work so hard to relearn and master a skill he had at 12 months.

The above is completely my opinion and experience with ASD and vaxes. I hope you don't mind me piping in.

[mama_again]

We opted to spread out the MMR and come to find out, we over vaccinate, because we don't need one of the M's twice, so why give a child a vaccine they don't need. I found out on our recent visit that 2 of the vaccines that are combined are not required in our state, so why give a child a vaccine they do not need.
We opted separate to spread it out and not to over vaccinate our precious one...

We found out this month that 2 vaccines were not even necessary! So I ask how many do we give that are? Why not individual injections for those that want this option...


here is a link that may interest some:

America May Over-vaccinate, According To New Research

[EZ2Luv]

While I know that some cases of Autism are linked to vaccines, I am still 100% that that is the only reason. For some yes, but when you look at how many cases of Autism there are these days, it does make you wonder why. Personally I think it is a combination of all the toxins that children have been exposed to. Not only children, but parents. It's is only lately that people are aware of the hazards of certain chemicals so formulas for cleaning products and such have been changed. But what about all the years people were using all these products thinking they were safe? IMO there has to be some type of residual affect.
And then too, this istrictly my opinion here, I think doctors are so quick to want to label things these days. I know a case where a child was somewhat behind in school and the parents(the mother especially) had this idea that her son was behind because he had some type of disability. Turns out the kids was fine just learning at his own pace, but I wonder how many doctors would have been willing to"find" something wrong.

I don't know the answer, I wish I did. Sadly there are children with Autism and families struggle and suffer with it. It just seems that when I was growing up and up until 15 to 20 years ago Autism wasn't so widespread as it is today.

I am sure there will be studies that will say it is because of assited reproduction or people haveing babies at older ages, but again I am 100% sold on that. I mean I know families of days gone by where the parents were older and none had autism. I just think as I said before it is a combination of things.
At best all we can do is aviod thing that might trigger Autism. No matter how much we worry isn't going to change an outcome.

EZ

[Sohmakun]

This is one of the reasons I'm not letting my child take shots. The medical industry is so money driven that its difficult for me to trust them.

[Stormster]

Originally Posted by Sohmakun

This is one of the reasons I'm not letting my child take shots. The medical industry is so money driven that its difficult for me to trust them.

I hope you will be careful and not allow your child to play around children with compromised immune systems. I know there are many parent of medically fragile children who are very vulnerable. Same with infants not yet immunized.

[devildogwife]

Originally Posted by Sohmakun

This is one of the reasons I'm not letting my child take shots. The medical industry is so money driven that its difficult for me to trust them.

Really, not even tetanus or pertussis? I've seen children in the PICU almost die from both. I talked with the mom of a boy who stepped on a rusty nail and wasn't vaccinated and he had to get over 100 shots (or thereabouts) over just a few days so he wouldn't die. He almost didn't make it.

Personally, even if there is a link with autism (which I do NOT believe), I don't care. I've seen my son close to death way too many times to risk his life over something completely preventable. I'd much rather have a child alive with autism than the alternative. I was relieved when he was healthy enough (post Glenn after being of bypass for a while) to get started. I want him protected as much as possibl!

Thanks for your post stormster-my son is one of those children! And there are many more heart babies just like him.

[startedover]

My pediatrican is a close friend and she absolutely does not believe that the vaccines are part of the equation. I don't even remember why she feels so strong because I trust her. I believe one thing was something like, Population increased x percent in the last decade and autism increased x percent. Also what about adhd? Children that went to school with me, I have no doubt, had this , but were not diagnosed because they didn't have an answer then. Modern medicine is growing, population is growing, and so on. I vac all my kids because I do not want them in danger of a preventable illness, but also They have elderly family and friends that have compromised immunities and I would not want to put them in danger. I however do not do the flu vac, because we went years without getting the flu but I am considering doing it now.

What is Makin Bakin?