[sbaglio]

Defending Palin by dissing Biden! Let's call a spade a spade. Give me gaffes over stupidity any day. If this wasn't so serious it would be hysterical.

[Stormster]

Well she's given 3 interviews and he's given 89 (as of yesterday).

Those interviews are made fully public. So if anyone's getting sheltered it's her!

[BrockBaby]

The thing is, it is obvious that people's mind are made up in who they are voting for....so a fan of one side saying something about the other side is NOT going to make the other side "come to the light" so to speak. However, when one side is calling the other side a joke, then I can understand why people come out to defend their choice.

For me..I am still writing in TG&Brock....

[Stormster]

Can I just say I really could have gone either way! I think I would def. be characterized as "undecided" in the beginning. As a 9/11 "surviver" sort of, lived a few blocks away and really lived it, lost friends etc....I def. liked McCain on National Security issues which is a huge one for me.

Palin to me is not someone I could have has president. I would leave the country. Not because of abortion and all that....just education and experience issues. She can't be President. She can be and she may be but she can't be MY President. Back to England I would go. Seriously.

And I find Obama to be seriously competent, thoughtful and accurate. Based all this not on ideology at all.

[BethanyB]

Palin is just a disaster waiting to happen. She seriously scares me! I am an Obama supporter but I don't hate McCain. However the thought of McCain winning and something happening to him scares the heck out of me. We'll be down the creek in a hand basket.

[binkybear]

Stormster,
We will miss you terribly!! But we'll be like neighbors out here, so it'll be ok in the end

I now it's getting close when folks start with the "move" ideas. I have a cousin who got air time out front of the white house with that one 4 years ago. funny..I asked her to be sure there was room for half of hollywood...but alas they all stayed even after all of that conviction. Babs couldn't leave us after all.

Ok, so now I really must get on with my busy day. There's a newspaper to be typed out over here...tee hee hee. Oh, and for the record I'm not talking about "GAFFEs". I'm talking about policies, lack of knowledge, double talking, and errors in judgement that are NOT at all "funny". I've simply made time at night to inform myself across the board. Am I 100% happy with my party, no. But I know enough to make my own decision regarding my own vote thank you. Ok, so once again I really must get on with my busy day.

[manni28]

I think Palin is an ignorant woman. The fact that they, McCain’s camp, wont let her “speak” unless they’re in the same room proves that. I’m HOPING she stays in Alaska where she belongs! I can't imagine WHAT the White House, with all her ignorant uneducated moose burger eating friends in there, would be like .It makes me physically ill!

[Kat-L]

Originally Posted by Stormster

Palin to me is not someone I could have has president. I would leave the country. Not because of abortion and all that....just education and experience issues. She can't be President. She can be and she may be but she can't be MY President. Back to England I would go. Seriously.

And I find Obama to be seriously competent, thoughtful and accurate. Based all this not on ideology at all.

In the beginning, I was hoping Huckabee or Romney would win the nomination. When they didn't, I decided to support Clinton. When Clinton lost the bid, I was between a rock & a hard place because I wasn't fond of Obama or McCain. After 2 months of flip flopping between candidates, I've pretty much settled on Obama. He's smart & his motivated. He has decent ideas. I like Biden a lot. McCain? I just can't do it. I can't vote for him. The only thing I truly agree with is his pro-life stance. And that just isn't enough. And having a very inexperienced VP just sort of sealed the deal. It took a while for me to admit that I would be voting for Obama. It's not something I'm especially proud of..I feel like I'm choosing the less of two real evils.

[MB80sgirl]

Romney & Huckabee were my top choices too.

[Kat-L]

Originally Posted by Betelnut

Yes, creationism in a religion class. Evolution in a science class. Creationism is not science nor never will be.

Creationism is a theory. Evolution is also a theory. Neither is proven scientific fact-which is why they are called theories. A theory is nothing more than an educated guess. If science classes were limited to only scientific fact, then Einstein's theory of realitivity shouldn't be taught, either. Nor should quantum theory. Science classes are filled with various theories. Until it is disproven, creationism is a valid theory. It shouldn't be ignored in science class while other theories (like the Big Bang theory) are being presented as scientific fact (when they are NOT fact)

[binkybear]

Originally Posted by manni28

I think Palin is an ignorant woman. The fact that they, McCain’s camp, wont let her “speak” unless they’re in the same room proves that. I’m HOPING she stays in Alaska where she belongs! I can't imagine WHAT the White House, with all her ignorant uneducated moose burger eating friends in there, would be like .It makes me physically ill!

That is pure hatred being set forth and what I, as a person try really really hard to avoid. Should be avoiding it now, right...but THIS is what is wrong with our world today. People spewing hatred and others just ignoring it. I can not for the life of me imagine using your exact sentiments but for Barack. How terrible it would sound and how terrible it would be.

I have officially outgrown this thread. I am personally better than what it just became. And that is most certainly as respectful as I can be considering the circumstances.

[Hadley2]

If holding any particular belief that does no harm to others is important to a person and leads them to faith, harmony of spirit, and/or good and right living, then it is a good thing for them and I respect it. But by definition, a simple belief with no basis in fact just simply is not science.

Scientific theories are subject to documentation, experimentation, and proof in the form of replication of results. A "scientific theory" is not just any idea or speculation advanced by anyone. It is not a "guess," intelligent or otherwise--it is not a hypothesis, it is the result of a tested hypothesis. It is based on observation of real-life evidence and subject to controlled testing.

If you used the justice system spectrum of proofs as an allegory, evolution as a theory is backed by "clear and convincing evidence." Creationism, on the other hand, is backed by faith--by Christian definition, belief in the unseen, or that for which there is no evidence.

Evolution is ongoing around us, can and has actually been replicated in laboratories; it is easy to demonstrate this phenomenon under controlled conditions and ample evidence of it exists in both the geological record of the Earth and all around us on Earth today.

"Creationism" is a 19th-century American enculturated literal transliteration of one of two 5000-year-old literary allegorical creation myths of the Tenakhh. Those myths are beautiful, and have a generalized, brilliant truth--pure energy (light, perhaps the Big Bang) followed by the elements of our universe and earth in pretty much the same order as science shows us was probably the case. The people who wrote it were darn smart.

It is not science in any way, it is belief. Both should be respected, but for what they are, not for what they are not. A belief based on what a person wants to think is not the same thing as knowledge based on facts shown to a person.

Creationism and evolution are in no way parallel or equal (as in the same) to each other in concrete, real life any more than a chalice of wine is parallel or equal (as in the same) to a pint of blood. They are different in kind, purpose, and significance in our lives. They don't contradict each other any more than Cadillacs contradict dolphins. They are two different things.

Still, if modern American so-called "fundamentalist" creationism is to be taught in science class in schools, then all the thousands of other creation myths must also be taught in science class (even though most adherents today and in the past, among cultures around the world, find the greatest beauty and truth lies in their metaphorical understanding). There is nothing to choose among them--none is any more or less credible on a rational basis than any other; so they must all be taught.

Do that, and there will never be enough hours in the day, weeks in the months, or months in the years to teach them all in all their variations or anything else for that matter.

As for Republican v Democrat, I simply cannot afford the big government, tax and spend, tax and spend, tax and spend, cronyism, corruption, and international criminality and despotism of another Republican regime. 12 years of Reagan-Bush yielded the most enormous deficits in our history and one of the worst recessions...the Dems rescued us in 8 years, eliminating the debt and actually rolling in a surplus and economic boom. Now another Bush has literally bankrupted the country, sunk us in an unjustified, unwinnable war with no mission--I don't even know what it is we are supposed to be trying to "win" in Iraq, we have destroyed a country and are responsible for the unwarranted deaths of hundreds of thousands of people--committed war crimes that would get the leader of any other nation yanked to the Hague for trial, and put us all in terrible peril. For the first time in my life, I am really ashamed of my country.

Until recently, I thought McCain was different and might not be too bad if elected. I thought he was an independent moderate. I admired his service ethic. He may have been all that once. His campaign the past few months--especially his cheap performance during the debate--has convinced me he is something else now.

Once in a great while, someone with rare gifts of intelligence and integrity comes along who actually does have the sheer brain power and people savvy to achieve amazing things. It is my hope and belief that Obama is such a person.

As for Sarah and Bristol, I said in my other post, I don't care to know Bristol's personal business, but since I do, I hope the best for her. I think Palin is a smart cookie, has certainly accomplished more than most of us, if managed properly will be enormously popular and appealing to many, off-putting and a joke to many. Those who write her off may be in for an unpleasant surprise...if McCain wins, I think it will be in large part because of her.

Weighing in on other topics, our society does not provide a level playing field and it is in everyone's best interest to rectify that as much as possible through our public institutions and private service; we are a nation of immigrants with a multilingual history going back to before Europeans arrived--this is not England and English is not the "native" language of this country--I well remember signs and papers in French when I was younger and no one complaining; pro-choice is entirely consistent with anti-death penalty; kids can't choose to abstain if they don't understand what sexual practices are in the first place; we should go by documented facts to make public policy and education questions not our own personal viewpoints and logic; I'd rather pay a little today to make up for other parents' lapses than pay a lot tomorrow for not trying and I certainly see no virtue in punishing children for not having good parenting.

They're kids. They live in our nation, they are part of our home community. It is right to stand by them and it's good for us in all ways, too.

Maybe I'll see you again after the next 20 or 30 posts....

[anewlynn]

In a Palin interview she was asked about this. She said she had the "thumbs up" vote from everyone in her family before saying yes. She didn't ask her son since he wasn't going to be living at home.

A political analyst on the other side asked how can she handle the country if she can't even handle her own children (refering to the pregnancy). I wanted to be able to ask them, "So, that means you know every time your son/daughter has sex and what type of birth control they are using??" Not only that, it says on the side of the box that condoms are 100% safe.

No one can say what is going in their family but Mr & Mrs Palin could have a teacher traveling with them. I also agree that it would be more unethical to leave a brand new baby at home than it would be to take it with you.

Lynn

[Fe2002]

Originally Posted by Kat-L

In the beginning, I was hoping Huckabee or Romney would win the nomination. When they didn't, I decided to support Clinton. When Clinton lost the bid, I was between a rock & a hard place because I wasn't fond of Obama or McCain. After 2 months of flip flopping between candidates, I've pretty much settled on Obama. He's smart & his motivated. He has decent ideas. I like Biden a lot. McCain? I just can't do it. I can't vote for him. The only thing I truly agree with is his pro-life stance. And that just isn't enough. And having a very inexperienced VP just sort of sealed the deal. It took a while for me to admit that I would be voting for Obama. It's not something I'm especially proud of..I feel like I'm choosing the less of two real evils.

Ha! I was pretty much in the same place except I came out on the other side. At the very beginning of the primaries I was for John Edwards, and then decided on Clinton. When she didn't win the primary I was happy that McCain had won the Repub primaries... I like him a lot. I was HOPING he would pick Romney as a running mate - that would have sealed the deal for me. I really like Biden... if he were at the top of that tix I would probably vote for it. I don't consider Obama competent - I just don't.

After McCain picked Palin, I was definitely in the Undecided category. But after much back and forth, I've decided to stick with McCain. I'm voting for a President, not the Vice President.

However, I would LOVE a Biden/McCain or McCain/Biden ticket!

[crick]

Manni - it's clear you don't like Palin. That's fine. But why such venom for Alaska and the "moose burger eating" citizens as you put it? Yikes. I have family in Alaska...they are good people.

I've stayed away from many members of my family and will until Christmas most likely, to give some time for the election "wounds" to heal. I am very very different politically from my family and it's just not worth the stress or likely irreperable relationships if I discuss things with them.

I just hate election time. Really brings out the worst in so many people.

If I could actually weed out the issues from the spewing between both sides of the campaign, I'd be happy. As it is though, it's really turned into a huge circus and once again, I'm just disgusted with it all. Both keep talking about CHANGE...why not start with themselves and how they handle their campaigns? Ugh.