[binkybear]

Originally Posted by SupaModel

He's a child not a man. She is girlfriend NOT his wife. She is a child! They had sex out of marriage. SIN! If we're playing by their rules lets call it for what it is.

The poor CHILD'S mother put her in the public spot light.

He is a young man and she is his finace for all intents and purposes, they have been calling themselves "engaged" for some time now according to family.

I might be a Catholic Conservative but I'm not about to toss a stone at this young couple screaming "sinner" at or about them. She's 17 and will have a child in the same exact fashion that Barack's mother did, young and with family support. Barack's maternal grandparents have been his rocks, allow this child Bristol is carrying the same support. what's wrong with that? ALL of these children, ALL of them are in that spotlight for a time, waving on stages, smiling and saying "i love you daddy".... it's inevitable. It's how WE all take it further that's wrong. This being an issue is wrong, it has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with keeping the public busy with nonsense...and we fall for it every single time. That's the real shame.

[JPDakota]

Originally Posted by 2Bulgarianbeauties
Yes, there are a lot of us. And now that we appear to be entering a global cooling cycle - compounded by the first month in 100 years with no sun spots, I am looking forward to the new spin on how humans are responsible. Perhaps we will be told to drive our cars a lot more to keep the earth temperature from dropping!

Lol. I hear you! So, how many of these global warming - rapid freezing events have we had on earth? How many happened because of human intervention? Heck, how many happened when there were even humans on this planet? Not saying that isn't a contributor this time, but seriously......dinosaurs burned too much fossil fuel?

[Kat-L]

Originally Posted by SupaModel

He's a child not a man. She is girlfriend NOT his wife. She is a child! They had sex out of marriage. SIN! If we're playing by their rules lets call it for what it is.

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Gossip & maligning. SIN! (as long as we're calling things as they are ) In this thread, we've all been guilty of ignoring our own sins while judging the actions of others.

[SupaModel]

Originally Posted by binkybear

She's 17 and will have a child in the same exact fashion that Barack's mother did, young and with family support. .

Barack parents met at University. They were actually married NOT young highschool kids.

My main issue is the mother! It because of her views why the public/ media is so involved. Trust if it was Barack's daughters Fox News would have a field day!!!

[mdesi]

Originally Posted by SupaModel

He's a child not a man. She is girlfriend NOT his wife. She is a child! They had sex out of marriage. SIN! If we're playing by their rules lets call it for what it is.

The poor CHILD'S mother put her in the public spot light.

As much as I hate to say this, Levi is 18, which makes him legally a man. The reason I hate to say this is that my DSS is 17, and I still see the little boy in him when I look at him.

[Kat-L]

Originally Posted by JPDakota

Lol. I hear you! So, how many of these global warming - rapid freezing events have we had on earth? How many happened because of human intervention? Heck, how many happened when there were even humans on this planet? Not saying that isn't a contributor this time, but seriously......dinosaurs burned too much fossil fuel?

Well, the Russians are predicting a mini ice age this century due to low solar activity. They said global warming occured because of the increased solar activity which has already peaked. We'll see a gradual lowering of temperatures in about 7 or 8 years and eventually have another mini ice age. Sometime between 2035 and 2045. It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Solar activity explains MUCH of the planets warming and cooling that occured over the last few million years.

Blaming the sun makes sense from a scientific point of view when you look at the cooling and warming that has occured over millions and millions of years-but it doesn't excuse us from being more responsible for our actions.

The last major ice age ended when the planet warmed-and it didn't warm due to human activities.

[SupaModel]

Originally Posted by Kat-L

Gossip & maligning. SIN! (as long as we're calling things as they are ) In this thread, we've all been guilty of ignoring our own sins while judging the actions of others.

I have never said I was without sin. The things is I am not on a platform claiming to be holier than thou.

[Kat-L]

Originally Posted by mdesi

As much as I hate to say this, Levi is 18, which makes him legally a man. The reason I hate to say this is that my DSS is 17, and I still see the little boy in him when I look at him.

I have a friend who's 19 year old son got married when his girlfriend was pregnant. All I could think was, he's a baby!! How could he get married?! But he ended up being a good husband and father-the odds were definately against him.

[binkybear]

Originally Posted by SupaModel

Barack parents met at University. They were actually married NOT young highschool kids.

My main issue is the mother! It because of her views why the public/ media is so involved. Trust if it was Barack's daughters Fox News would have a field day!!!

His mother was 18 when she had him, give these kids a few months and they can be in university and married...no? Pretty much the same boat.

Ok, so the mother's views are the main issues? Then why are we taking down her daughter? In that required in order to make the point of the mother's beliefs? Have issues with Sarah Palin the politician, not Bristol Sarah Pailin's (soon to be) adult daughter.

I can't see rationalizing this by saying "if" it were Barack's kid we'd be just as mean spirited. One doesn't make the other ok. I'd be just as adimant that it was wrong....BARACK is adamant that this is wrong. I respect him for that even though he's not my personal candidate.

[aclee]

Originally Posted by Kat-L

If I was running this country, I'd convert two of the islands of Hawaii into prison islands. It would be like that old movie from the 70's or 80's. All prisoners-no guards. Well, there would be guards but they would be patrolling the island in boats to make sure no one leaves. The people can do whatever they want. Build a shelter, grow some food, kick the crap out of one another..but they would be completely and forever banished to that island. No cable tv. No sports equipment. No 'visits' from family. Just total banishment from society. This would only be for the hardened criminals-people who would otherwise be spending life in jail. It would be a deterrent because they wouldn't have the protection and benefits of a regular jail. And if they aren't deterred, and still commit heinous crimes, they should probably be removed from society anyway.

I hate to say it, but, if your argument is that the people could be innocent...what if these people ARE innocent...in that setting someone else could easily kill them anyway. Isn't being left to fend for them selves against other rapists and murders sort of cruel and unusual punishment?

[Kat-L]

Originally Posted by aclee

I hate to say it, but, if your argument is that the people could be innocent...what if these people ARE innocent...in that setting someone else could easily kill them anyway. Isn't being left to fend for them selves against other rapists and murders sort of cruel and unusual punishment?

If they turned out to be innocent, then God be with them-because life would be a living hell. But at least they wouldn't be facing a state sanctioned death. It's possible that they could survive on the island. As for cruel and unusual punishment, I don't think so. What's cruel about making hardened criminals defend themselves against other hardened criminals? These same criminals had no problem attacking, raping, and killing 'innocent' people who were unable to defend themselves. If they are going to lay down with dogs, they have no business complaining about the fleas. All the criminals will be with other murderers and rapists. They should be glad to be in the company of like-minded people! It would be an unusual punishment-but not cruel.

I'm pretty sure in the movie (this was so many years ago, I barely remember it) that some of the people ended up making little villages. And there were the 'good' villages who planted gardens. And there were gangs who attacked and stole stuff. I honestly don't remember, though. I remember thinking at the time "Why isn't there a system like this? It's brilliant!"

The island wouldn't have first time offenders or people who passed bad checks. It would be folks who commited 1st degree murder, repeat rapists, repeat armed robbers, repeat gang related murderers...people who were not rehabilitated the first time they went to prison.

But..my plan will never be put into place..unfortunately.

[mdesi]

Originally Posted by SupaModel

I have never said I was without sin. The things is I am not on a platform claiming to be holier than thou.

I missed the plank in either party's platform in which there is a claim that they are w/o sin. Sarah Palin has never even claimed to be w/o THAT sin. (The original translation of that verse - BTW.)

[SupaModel]

Originally Posted by binkybear

His mother was 18 when she had him, give these kids a few months and they can be in university and married...no? Pretty much the same boat.

Ok, so the mother's views are the main issues? Then why are we taking down her daughter? In that required in order to make the point of the mother's beliefs? Have issues with Sarah Palin the politician, not Bristol Sarah Pailin's (soon to be) adult daughter.

I can't see rationalizing this by saying "if" it were Barack's kid we'd be just as mean spirited. One doesn't make the other ok. I'd be just as adimant that it was wrong....BARACK is adamant that this is wrong. I respect him for that even though he's not my personal candidate.

I don't see how I am being mean spirted. I am just stating facts.

[AS-NJ]

I dont think anyone is "pro abortion". its about a womans right to choose what is right for her. the government should not make that decision.

[akcskye]

I honestly feel his choice of having a female VP elect is because there is a "push" to have some history made.

Look at it in "black and white"...we're either going to have our first female in higher office, or our first black man in higher office.

Both are minorities, and both considered to be an indicator that America is losing prejudice...but we all know that even though it's better, it's no where NEAR where it needs to be.

I am DEATHLY afraid for Obama...DEATHLY...there's still too many racists out there that will make him their target. If he gets elected, I honestly don't see a longer term than Kennedy, with the same result. I hope my gut is wrong, though.