[themissus]

I am not telling anyone how to vote, I just wanted to put this out there. This is an adoption site (obviously) and so we are all touched by adoption somehow. Doesn't it make sense to vote for the candidate who is not only pro life, but willing to back up his words with action?
The supreme court may lose up to 4 judges during the next 4 years. Folks, this is our last best chance to overturn RoevsWade, or put something in place that eliminates abortion as a form of birth control. Fewer abortions, more babies, increased chance for adoption. No matter what side of the fence you tend to be on, you can't argue with that logic.

I would like to say God Bless all of the birthmothers out there who decided to give their babies a chance at life. You don't know how much you have blessed the adoptive parents and the whole world. I cannot say enough. There is a special place in heaven for you.

[PolishCas]

Originally posted by themissus
I am not telling anyone how to vote, I just wanted to put this out there. This is an adoption site (obviously) and so we are all touched by adoption somehow. Doesn't it make sense to vote for the candidate who is not only pro life, but willing to back up his words with action?
The supreme court may lose up to 4 judges during the next 4 years. Folks, this is our last best chance to overturn RoevsWade, or put something in place that eliminates abortion as a form of birth control. Fewer abortions, more babies, increased chance for adoption. No matter what side of the fence you tend to be on, you can't argue with that logic..

This is a very touchy subject for me (and I'm sure for others) as I am pro-choice. Even though I support adoption and it is great that there will be more children available for adoption for prospective adoptive parents. It will also mean more unwanted children and probably more deaths, not just in children but women who try to find another, more dangerous, way instead of abortion. I don't know I think there are pros and cons to everything, so I guess we'll have to see how everything works out.

[Byngee12]

"Fewer abortions, more babies, increased chance for adoption"
Speaking as a Birthmother I didn't place my child as an alternative to having an abortion. I never EVER considered abortion and for someone in a Adoption Support site to post such "logic" bothers me.
BTW: I did consider womens rights when I cast my vote and I hope every woman on this site does too.

[Cheryl62]

Ya know - I struggle over explaining my views on this one, because my PRIVATE views of morality, the value of life, and what my God would require of me in my own life are one thing - on that I am VERY clear.

But, I have a hard time believing that in a country based on OUR Constitution (not a theocracy like in some non-Christian countries I can think of), that we have any business legislating morality, particularly when it's an issue so hotly contested as this one. I am a firm believer in the separation of church and state, and believe that the freedom I am willing to grant others to practice (or not) their religion only strengthens my own right to practice mine. I am just not comfortable with demanding that others accept my Christian religious beliefs -- any more than I would like John Kerry, as a (hopefully!) Catholic president, deciding that we should ban birth control because that may be the teachings of his church, and his personal and private beliefs.

JMO though...

[katieb31323]

I have to agree with Byngee. I think it is a very common misconception to think that if you eliminate abortion their will be more babies available to adopt. I myself am very prolife (go Bush!) and think the decision to parent or not to parent is an entirely separate decision from whether to abort (to be politically correct) or to continue a pregnancy.

Katie

[LisaCA]

I am pro-choices. Bmoms are not our personal babymaking machines and I support their decisions, whatever they choose to do. I think the goal is more wanted babies, not just more babies. And most folks do not view abortion as birth control-that's just more propaganda. Every person I know who has had an abortion did so after much thought, the same thought that bmoms put into their decisions. Some had bcontrol failure, some had human failure. All were unhappy to be in that situation. Most folks who are pro-choice are pro-adoption. In fact, I think most folks are pro-adoption.

and if you ever had a reason to vote tomorrow, it is that people want to eliminate choices for women.

Whatever you believe, get out and vote!

LisaCA

[seeking2adopt]

And most folks do not view abortion as birth control-that's just more propaganda.

I have to disagree with this statement. I volunteer at a crisis pregnancy center and I would estimate that at least 80% of my clients have had one, if not multiple, abortions. I have literally been told by someone who was pregnant again after having aborted twins just a few months prior, that "I just got rid of them, and now I have to get rid of this one."

Unfortunately, most of the young women I talk to DO use abortion as a form of birth control. In the heat of the moment, "protection" is just too much trouble.

Fewer abortions, more babies, increased chance for adoption. No matter what side of the fence you tend to be on, you can't argue with that logic.

I can't quite agree with this statement, though, either. I believe positive thinking about adoption has come a long way, but it still has a long way to go. VERY few of the women I speak with will even consider it.

I'm a firm believer in God's way being the best way. The best way to avoid an unwanted pregnancy is to avoid pre- or extra-marital sex. And once a child is conceived, he/she has intrinsic value because he/she is part of the human race. It is our role as mothers ... as women ... to protect those who cannot protect themselves.

My $.02 ...

[LisaCA]

I stand by my statement. Your experience may be different, and the women you counsel at your clinic may have this experience, but not all women across all socioeconomic classes go to crisis pregnancy clinics for abortion counseling. do some women take sex and its consequences a bit more casually than I would like? Yes. It is still their decision, even their decision to act in a manner in which I disagree. That's what america is about.

LisaCA

[Linny]

It's been our experience that what Stephanie speaks of, happened with us. More than one of our children was born, simply because their birthmother 'went in to abort, but was too far along'......

Sincerely,

Linny

[redhedded]

Well said, Lisa. Thanks. As an adoptive mother, I am pro-child, pro-family and pro CHOICE. And. . . I voted last week!

[Byngee12]

Fewer abortions, more babies, increased chance for adoption. No matter what side of the fence you tend to be on, you can't argue with that logic.

I know I would never deny a woman the right to choose what will happen should she become pregnant and unable to care for herself and her unborn, I certainly don't want some man in a posistion of power who has only read about women like her deciding either. As far as the logic behind the above statement goes there would also be more adoptable babies if all couples who felt their families were complete were forced by an act of congress to concieve and place but its silly to think that will or should happen. If we stop abortions in order to have more adoptees, whats next? Should the laws deny women who've decided to remain childless the right to birth control as a way to increase adoptable babies?
In reality the world doesn't need more babies; we need to make it easier and faster to adopt the children awaiting homes now. We need to help waiting parents- to- be understand how wonderful older child adoptions are.
Not everyone who finds herself facing a crisis pregnancy will opt for either abortion or adoption, some will take home babies that they are unable or unwilling and too far lost in unhealthy lifestyles to care for, so along with "more babies" will come more abuse, more neglect and more CPS interventions. I just can't sit back and NOT argue with that logic. Tara

[sane]

i hope, that i have the right to talk to this theme, although i am from austria.

i am against abortion, BUT i am also a woman, and i think, that every woman should have the possibility to make a choice!!!
it is not right to make women, who choice the abortion criminal!!!!


i also think that the consideration is wrong: i think, if abortions are not free, more women would choice an illegal and dangerous way to abort their children.

another point: in austria abortion is legal until the 12th week of pregnancy and after a consultation.
but most mothers get their babys: because the social basic conditions are better: every pregnant women can go into maternity protection 6 weeks bevor due date and it lasts until 8 weeks after birth. she gets about 600 euro/months during this time. then she has the possibility to get money by the state until the child is 2 year old, after this period the old employer, has to engage her again!! the money she gets is about 500 euro/months.
every child gets about 150 euro/month until it is 18 years old.
poor mothers have to pay less rent etc ...there is also the possibility that young mothers can stay at school and a day mother (paid by the state) looks after the baby, while the mother is at school

what i want to say: the chances for mothers with a child are better than in america: in austria it is almost impossible to die of starvation.

to protect mothers would protect babys. mothers should keep their babys!!! - i hope you can understand my thoughts!

[seeking2adopt]

"An informed citizenry will act for life, and not for death."
--Albert Einstein

[spaypets]

themissus--Are you saying that we should force women to remain pregnant so adoptive parents have more babies to adopt?

Hmm. Have you done a marketing study to see if by banning abortion, supply would ever outstrip demand? Oh, and of course, since we have a global economy--what should we do about all the waiting children in other countries?

Gosh, the whole concept reminds me of one of those creepy futuristic novels, like the Handmaiden's Tale...


I'm an adoptive mom and I remain:

PRO Faith, PRO Family and PRO Choice

But thanks for energizing me to vote today.

[taggrr2]

Okay I'll bite on this touchy subject.

First, I'm pro-life, definitely and voted my conscience.

Second, I think to justify overturning Roe V Wade so to have more adoptees is wrong. The justification to overturn R v W is that abortion is the taking of a life and bad law. I say that because I can't logically come to any other conclusion as to when life begins.

Third, I just hate so much that this issue is now not woman- or choice- or even health-centered. It has become a political football. Therefore, we can't even seem to agree on some common sense things. To me, these would be parental consent (a girl can not even get an aspirin without consent but can be transported across state lines for surgery), partial birth (the AMA has said this is never medically indicated and would seem delivery would be just as dangerous) and FULL counseling on ALL aspects of EACH choice, just like we expect for birthmothers. Too often adoption seems to get short changed and the choices are presented as parenting v abortion. Just as there are money hounds in adoption, so there are in abortion and just as much effort should be exhausted to eliminate them in both options.

I do also agree that abortion is used for birth control and sex selection much more than we want to believe. I'll never forget a call Oprah took on her show once, can't remember the topic, from a woman who was on the way to her 5th abortion. That I will never understand.