[crayons]

Here's a question, I just have to ask: For those who have a daughter and other's of you, pretend that you do:

If your little girl was raped and was pregnant because of it, would
you make her carry this baby in her little body or would you get her an abortion?

[Vicar]

Dear Crayons,

Rape is a horrible act, goes without saying, but do I think that adding abortion to that would help my daughter, no I personally don't .

there are many stories of rape victims having the child they conceived during rape and being very glad they made that decision. I am not saying it would be easy, not at all, but does this change the fact that a fetus is a human life?

Its a bad situation but no I don't think killing the baby will help.

[patrisha]

I am genuinely interested in getting feedback from some of the anti-abortionists on this thread.

Do you feel the same way about the "morning after pill" as you do about more traditional abortions?

Trilsh

[Rainbow mom]

I hope my daughter is never raped, however as the teenage victim of a gang rape I know that half of the child would have been mine. Convienient no, adoption placement maybe. That baby still has a right to live. God would have never allowed the conception of a mistake. No matter how often you feed and water a flower only God makes it grow and bloom. Hopefully I would be able to explain this to may daughter and teach her to love "her" child.

Conception is conception even the morning after. You are either pregnant or you are not. It is not a grey area.

[patrisha]

Is then using a spermicide contraception or abortion?

Trish

[Rainbow mom]

Good question, if it is spermacide I hope it would kill the sperm before it reaches the egg to conceive. If it does get through and is killed after it fertilized the egg I guess it would be a spontaneous abortion. Which dies first the sperm or the egg?

[sweetnoodle]

There is a common misconception that every pregnancy is a miracle in and of itself that wouldn't have occured without God producing it.

This is really fallicious.

When God created man and woman He gave them and all their descendants the ability to procreate. He gave the seed to the man and the egg to the woman. Sometimes our bodies do not work correctly and we cannot conceive. Sometimes we do not conceive due to the timing of the egg "dropping."

To imply that each pregnancy, especially through rape, wouldn't have occured if God didn't want a child to be born is really doing a disservice to the witness of the character of God.

God allows free will. He has allowed sin to reign on the earth for a time.

>>God would have never allowed the conception of a mistake. No matter how often you feed and water a flower only God makes it grow and bloom.>>

It's not correct to say that God wouldn't have allowed a mistake. Mistakes happen all the time because it's the humans who make them.

God gave our bodies the ability to nourish a child within us. We have to eat to do this. This also requires free will.

Some young woman actually believe God will "protect" them from getting pregnant even though they don't use birth control, or are relegated to keep getting pregnant over and over because their church doesn't believe in birth control, so, they just have to keep having babies "because it's God's will."

[Vicar]

Dear Sweetnoodle,

Your post made me realize how another perspective changes everything.

However I doubt God would ever condone the killing of innocent humans in the mass numbers we have done over the past 30 yrs. Surely he does not feel that one wrong is corrected by another wrong?

I believe that is the devil's area.

Love,

vicar

[bajohnson]

Thanks Randy and Twyla for your kind words. I do believe I'm forgiven although I worry about the sinning that grace may abound part.
About the morning after pill- in my eyes, it is the same as abortion. If conception has occured, than a pre human has been created. I don't go the whole way on the pill, condoms etc. I believe that those are ok. I know that the pill is considered an aborifacient, but preventing the fertilization of an egg is better in my mind than an unwanted pregnancy that may result in an abortion.
As for the mind of God...... I don't believe He is happy with the killing of the unborn, but I don't presume to know how His timing works, or the reasons behind it. I do think that there is a lot of projection going on from all sides as to what God thinks. I still believe that the Bible tells us the basics and the Holy Spirit is here to keep us up to date.
Sincerely,
Beth

[Vicar]

Dear Beth,

Thanks for your posts and your honesty. You are an incredible person and I believe you are right there are a lot of us trying to guess at what God might think. I really only know that I thank God for my child that I did not abort and thank God for accepting me with all my faults. Also we need to keep on praying for the Guidance of the Holy Spirit.
With admiration, I am glad you posted.



Vicar

[bajohnson]

Vicar- Right back at you! I have been impressed this whole thread with your knowledge and your calmness. I don't see this as being another hopeless debate, or I would have stayed away. Debating is a good thing if done with respect. I've seen that respect here and am impressed with those on both sides of the debate.
With the retirement of 2 of the Supreme Court justices in the near future, and the possibility there in to repel the Roe v Wade decision, how do you believe it will pan out? How to take away a "right"(NOT) that many think they are entitled to? I'm sure Bush will wait until he's reelected before tackling this, but mark my words, it will be a campaign issue.
Again thanks for your kindnesses,
God Bless,
Beth

[Sharon]

Beth,
Oh good heavens... do you really think Bush is going to run again? Is that for sure, or just a rumor?
I find that possibility disturbing in the extreme, for reasons that have nothing to do with the abortion issue.
~Sharon

[debsdone]

To me.......the fact that abortion has been THE issue politically , and for so long now, makes it even more vile. People say adoption is about money? HA! Follow the political trail and see where it leads! so much for the separation of church and state......Debi

[niece]

Dear Vicar;
I agree if the supreme court over turns Roe v/s Wade and abortions become Illegal there will be alot more needless deaths. There would be girls in dirty back alleys with nasty and unsterile intruments having them done anyway.
Just because something is Illegal doesn't stop it from happening! It just would mean that there is no way to regulate and help stop the deaths from botched and unprofessional abortions.
That is just what I think and I am sorry if I offend anyone.
Thank you for listening to me~Janiece

[Vicar]

to all,

I don't know how the election will pan out, I am sure Bush will run again, don't they always?

For all his faults I admire Bush for sticking to his stand on abortion thus far.

As for making abortion illegal causing so many deaths, well I am not sure that is true, but of course one death would be a terrible waste. But then again 42 million children killed in the last 30 yrs is a waste too.

If you really think that making abortion illegal will do more harm to women than keeping it legal please go to the website I have referred to before.

it has some great information particularly regarding illegal abortion.

Thanks to all for sharing.

Vicar