[taramayrn]

I still don't see where Christine said that because you are a meth addict that you aren't worthy of God's grace...I'm sorry, I don't. What I see is Christine's scepticism (sp) of the situation that's all.

[numbr1dbcksfan]

It isnt about deserving.

Sticking with the God line of thinking...

So if he chose a couple to be infertile for whatever his cosmic reasoning is... and they have to build their family by providing a home for a child who needs it... then this child comes along...

And He has shown this person the resources to keep her child - the child he evidently gave her...

Then how would that be read as his intent is to provide this child to this "deserving" other couple, when it clearly is NOT a child who needs a home.

Are you saying she is not deserving of her own flesh and blood?

Im not following.

If these paparents are there waiting to provide a home for a child who needs one...

And she is clearly getting all the resources she needs to raise her child... then it seems to logic that this is not the child for them.

This person has said over and over that her sole reason is that God is telling her to - not that she is in a bad situation and cant keep her baby and this couple came along by His grace and blah blah blah -- THAT is DIFFERENT.

None of this has to do with deserving, or even religion really, IMO.

But Im looking at it from the psychological side.. not the religious one.

[numbr1dbcksfan]

Sorry. That is not what I meant, either.

What Im meaning is that I think it is irresponsible to not look at the desperate situation that is leading to this line of thinking.

I dont think that anyone is unworthy of God's grace.

At least if I were still a Lutheran I wouldnt believe that.

Im just speaking Christian because that is the language being spoken here.. it isnt my day to day tongue. Just taking on the other person's glasses.

[kdibattista]

Littlebitty,

Stay strong... I commend your for your courage and honesty. I truly hope this situation works out the way it is suppose to

[littlebitty]

First of all, I thought numbr1 was backing out of this conversation, as you have said several times. Hm. Last word?

Second... obviously you do not understand God's grace, and that is fine. We are all entitled to our own opinions. But just because I am a believer and you are not does NOT mean that you get to make ME out to be a lunatic... and it does not mean that YOU are right, and I am wrong... who are any of us to decide that?!

I am NOT a "meth addict on hiadus"...

And I will not tolerate your sacreligious, immature, uninformed, beligerent, irrational and flat out RUDE comments any longer.

This conversation no longer requires your input, as it is not for informative reasons, or because you care, but rather because you are miserable (or appear to be), and refuse to even attempt to understand my reasoning.

You have no idea how I feel. You know NOTHING about me. If you are as informed and intelligent as you seem to be trying to portray... it makes little sense to me how you could be so judgemental, as passsing judgement with little information is a sign of ignorance.

That would be like me dogging your reasons for placing your child, telling you that you COULD have raised him/her, but just didn't WANT to... that it is possible to raise a child in America with NO help... that there must have been something mentally wrong with you to give away your child. But THIS is something that I know NOTHING about... and would NEVER, no matter WHAT my beliefs, stoop to a level of such blatant ignorance and disrespect.

Even after you have painted the picture that you have of me, I still respect your decision for placement, WHATEVER that may have been, and pray that you will find joy in your life, and stop trying to bring despair to mine.

So please, just back out, as you already have said you were going to do again and again. At first you were trying to "respecfully bow out"... but the respect has since diminished. You and your imput means nothing to me, as it is placed here only to make yourself feel better, to make me look ignorant and insane, rather than to try to imput something useful.

I am actually gaining valuable experience from this discussion, and I would hate to have this thread discontinued because you refuse to respect me or my issuses. I have not disrespected you, and I would appreciate similar respect. Thank you.

- - I would have sent this to you personally, but will respect your wishes not to do so.

[myheart]

Originally Posted by kdibattista

Littlebitty,
Stay strong... I commend your for your courage and honesty. I truly hope this situation works out the way it is suppose to

"Ditto...Littlebitty"!
You do have support here.... Many here know the relationship with God that you are speaking of.
Many here themselves have been touched by God.
So, know that you are not alone and we will support you !!

Many Blessings,
Myheart

[littlebitty]

" What Im meaning is that I think it is irresponsible to not look at the desperate situation that is leading to this line of thinking."

And I think it is irresponsible to judge my actions and decisions, and to ridicule me, making me out to be some lunatic who "hears voices from God" or something, judging me because of my PAST actions... which are all PAST, and which I have learned from and SHOULD NOT have to defend (I'm sure you have mistakes in your past that I would never twist to your demise and my satisfaction).

I do not believe that I am acting irresponsibly in any shape, form or fasion, and, being that you do not know me or my situation, only the short posts that I have placed on this thread, and being that you are NOT my psychologist (" But Im looking at it from the psychological side"), it would only be respectable in your situation to apologize.

Not apologize for your input. I still value that you were open enough to share... but for questioning my legitimacy, for painting me to be a crazy religious freak, for telling me that I am selfish, for telling me what only I could know about how I feel... and for doing it out of nothing but negitivity. I have not questioned your reasoning, but if you would like, I will do so privately, as to not publicy intentionally offend you.

Peace be with you.

[BrandyHagz]

There is a difference between disagreement/debate and bickering back and forth about who is right and who is wrong...

Maybe tomorrow we can restart this convo on the right path. As it is...its just a bunch of people bickering back and forth...and bickering isn't productive at all, sorry.