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Religion is a Relationship Not a Church
Many RELIGIONS(Lutheran, Catholic, Baptist, Mormon ETC.) believe that THEIR WAY is the right way to God, or their god.
Praying to Mary Doing Good Works Going to a PRIEST Using a ROSARY ETC. But God's Word says, Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved Jer 25:6 And go not after other gods to serve them, and to worship them, and provoke me not to anger with the works of your hands; and I will do you no hurt Ga 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Tit 3:6 Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour Tit 3:7 That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Ro 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. Ro 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us Ro 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him Ro 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life Ro 5:12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned Ro 5:15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many. Ro 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. On July 16, 1989 I knelt and prayed, "Dear Jesus, I know that I'm a sinner, if I died now in my sin, I would go to Hell. Right now, by faith, I am trusting You as my personal Savior and my only hope for Heaven. Thank You for dying on the cross for me and for saving me from an eternity in Hell. In Jesus' name, Amen. Catholics, Lutherans, Presbyterians and others have the SAME BIBLE, with these SAME VERSES, look them up, but they are NOT TAUGHT these verses for ETERNAL LIFE. I pray that any who reads this today, will realized that we all are sinners, because of Adam and Eve's sin, that God's price on sin is Hell, but our way out, is SALVATION THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD. It doesn't matter what I tell you is my church, it matters that I tell you that I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and I am almost 17 yrs. old now as a Christian. God Bless |
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I don't know if you realize it, but you may have offended a lot of people here. I spent some time avoiding Christians because of how judgemental they were. Have you been in all those churches you claim do not teach salvation? If not, then you cannot say what they do or do not teach. There is a reason that hearsay is not allowed in a court of law. I happen to know people in each of the churches you mentioned who have personal relationships with christ and who know and teach and learn the verses you cited. Perhaps you missed the verses about judging? You cannot judge whether a person has a relationship with God, only God can know what is in another's heart. Judging a person can push them away from Christianity and I am sure that's not your intention. You can tell people the good news and what you beleive, without trying to also tell them that what they beleive is wrong. Next time, post the same thing, but without the references to other churchs and you will have a powerful testamony. I think if you asked people in those other churches you are so quick to judge what they beleive -ask them, not your pastor who doesn't know everything (and if he says he does, run and run fast, for he is not a man of God) Ask someone who is Catholic or Mormon or Baptist or Lutheran or whatever what they believe. I think you might be surprised.
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My pastor is my husband, and I went to Bible College and studied what the other religions teach.
I have a Catholic friend who is BORN AGAIN, but, she, SHE, told me, "Amy, I never was told that, or to read that. . . . . ." She still is in the Catholic church because of her parents, but she knows that if she died today she would be with Jesus because she has asked the Lord Jesus to be her Savior. SHE, as a CATHOLIC, is trying to reach her parents, who have also, NOT HEARD the WORD. I also have a best friend in Utah, who is trying to reach the MORMONS for Christ. Her husband is a preacher with a burden for their lost souls. Oh yes, you can be in other RELIGIONS, and read the verses and get saved, but MANY ARE BLINDED and are NOT LED TO READ GOD'S WORD, and see WHAT HE HAS TO SAY ABOUT ETERNAL LIFE. Many people came to my college and got SAVED, saying, "I NEVER READ THOSE VERSES" or "I WAS NEVER TAUGHT THIS" Sorry I offended, but. . . . . John 8:32 And ye [people] shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. |
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I do beleive the truth shall set us free. But you do not nessesarily know the truth for everyone. You know maybe a hundred people who were never taught those verses. I beleive you. That is the truth. However, your first post implied that none of the religions you mentioned ever taught those verses. That is not true. I am not a member of any of the churches you mentioned, however I have been in the past a member of two of the churches you mentioned and I have attended others. I have heard those verses and Salvation in general taught in those churches. So this means your statement is false. I know you did not mean to bear false wittness, you assumed that those people you know represented all the people who are in those churches, and that the books you read about the churches teachings, represented what each person beleived. You have realized that a person can be a member of one of the churches you seem to have a problem with and yet still be saved. This is good and you should be thankful to your friend for teaching you this. Did it occur to you that she may not be the only Catholic ever to come to that conclusion, and yet choose to remain Catholic? I have known many.
It is possible to bear your own testemony and tell what you have learned about God, without condemning others. You can tell people the good news without first implying that you know that they do not already have it. I was saved very young. I read the Bible for myself and had a relationship with God, that was seperate from the church I attended with my parents. When I got older people would lecture me and tell me I was not saved because they assumed that I must not be because of the church I attended. I bagan to beleive that Born again Christians were liars. Some of them had read books about the church that I attended that were false. One was written by a man who was kicked out for abusing his wife and he wrote the book as revenge. One good friend of mine, beleived this book, because it was in a book. She constantly told me that she knew I beleived these things. I did not beleive those things and never had. I was very offended that she beleived a stranger who wrote a book over my word. She invited me to her church, it might have been a great fellowship, but I refused to set foot inside a church that encouraged false wittness. Now, I know better than to judge a church by one or two members. LOL. It was however a hard won lesson. Telling the truth is one thing, if people are offended by the gospel itself that is one thing, but if they are offended because the people who represent the gospel are rude or bearing false wittness or because those people are overly judgemental about other people's hearts, that is is a different matter. That is causing others to stumble. I beleive you have a good heart and do not want to cause others to stumble. You have a good strong testemony. I will pray that you will keep telling people the good news. You just need to delete that one part of your testemony, because it is not truly a part of it. You have heard that those other churches don't teach those things, but you cannot testify to it, because you have not been in every church of each of those denominations. What you say about other denominations is only hearsay. You can testify with a certainty to what God has done in your life. That is the testimony that will bring others to Christ. Quote:
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Lorraine ![]() Mom to: S- my 16 year old son -Aspergers, but doing great! W - my 14 year old son- caretaker to his siblings. P- My 10 year old Russian princess, two prosthetic legs, dancer extrodiaire Home June 2000 M- 9 No legs, one arm, fast wheels!Home November 2006 from Poland! Dh - Often just another child, but mostly my best friend and a pretty understanding guy.A clean house is a sign of a broken computer Moderator http://momrainefamily.blogspot.com/ |
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I know many a Catholic who was taught all the same verses as me, who learned all the same things as me. (We are not Catholic.) They are saved just the same as I.
Denominations mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. Just because your friend is Catholic doesn't mean a thing. It means nothing about all Catholics in general. I'm not sure even what your post is insinuating.
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I don't think I have ever posted in the Christian Adoptive Parents section because of this reason. I am a pastor's kid. My dad is a Nazarene pastor. I attended a Nazarene college. I have been around people my whole life who think it is their right to JUDGE other people and their walk. I do not consider myself a Nazarene anymore, I am a member of a very contemporary non-denominational church. One that is winning people to Him all the time. (FYI.....check it out! www.threadschurch.org) But it is not your right. You are welcome to come to me in love to discuss your beliefs. But, you are not welcome to tell me how to believe.
The Bible is fluid, ever changing with every translation. Who are you to quote the KJV like it is the end all and be all of the Word of God? People nowadays are not fazed by people like you, throwing an antiquated translation in their face. They need Christians who are where they are, who talk and live in the same places. They do not need people shouting down at them from a pulpit. This is NOT the way to win people to Christ, and I am begging you to STOP! All you are doing is turning people away from Him. The "fire and brimstone" attack DOES NOT WORK!! One last thing. Just because your husband is a postor and you went to Bible College does not mean that you have the right to talk like this. My father, a 25 year veteran of the church, will be the FIRST to admit that he does not know it all. He would never go on a public forum and attack other people. He, and I, and most others reading this thread, know that all you are doing is skewing the message of Christ. Please, as someone who wants as many people won to the Lord as possible, keep your judgements to yourself.
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Amy - While everyone has the right to believe in their religion and share their views, it is not your right to tell everyone else that theirs is wrong and attack other's beliefs. I'm closing this thread because it's not what we are about here. We welcome all faiths and will not support an attack on any of them.
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S- my 16 year old son -Aspergers, but doing great!
W - my 14 year old son- caretaker to his siblings.
P- My 10 year old Russian princess, two prosthetic legs, dancer extrodiaire Home June 2000
M- 9 No legs, one arm, fast wheels!
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