[belleinblue1978]

Originally Posted by paisley83

I don't understand why people on THIS message board would be supportive of Obama based on the fact that he is pro Abortion!! Its like hes saying, we should teach teens about contraceptives or birth control.. but if you do happen to get pregnant, I know a quick way to get you out of it!!

Its a nice thought, saying we need to inform teens... but seriously, they already know..

Teenagers know about contraceptives? No they don't. They need to be taught about that like everything else.

As far as the other, my being adopted has nothing to do with my political stances.

[bromanchik]

Originally Posted by paisley83

Its a nice thought, saying we need to inform teens... but seriously, they already know..

Where did you get this information?

[paisley83]

Maybe what I should of said.. Teens are already being taught.. they know what stds are.. they know what condoms are... Its what they do with the information given to them.. their choice to listen.


Also.. my being adopted has a lot to do with my political view!! How can I support someone who openly supports abortion?? I am here, as are you, becuase the women that gave birth to us CHOSE LIFE!!

[BethanyB]

What Obama was trying to say is that we need education in order to prevent things like teen pregnancies and STD's. I don't know about you but I sure as heck don't want my teen daughter becoming pregnant. I don't want to raise another child when my kids are almost out of the house. I don't want to have to support another child when mine are almost out on their own. And that is what would end up happening if my teen were to become pregnant. That is a punishment for me. Then my teen would either have to quit school because neither her or I would be able to afford the daycare rates and then I would have to babysit at night so my child could go and get her GED. Then my child would not be able to do all of those things that kids do. The movies, hanging out at football games, going to college. That is unless I was willing to babysit every Saturday night. Which is not what I had planned for myself. So I'm sorry but Obama had the right idea when he said what he said.

I would support my daughter in any way I could if she became pregnant as a teen but I would not be happy that it happened for her or me. It's not a cake walk and I hope education in the schools and from home teaches my kids enough so that never happens. I would love my kids no less if it did happen but I would like them to go finish high school, go to college and then get married before having kids if at all possible.

So it does not matter that the message of education was trying to be made. It only matters that he used the wrong word to describe it.

Palin is against sex education and is for abstinence only education in schools. Even though her own daughter is pregnant. So it didnt work for her own daughter but she thinks it will work for our kids. That is far more troubling to me.

[ocracoke]

Originally Posted by paisley83

Maybe what I should of said.. Teens are already being taught.. they know what stds are.. they know what condoms are... Its what they do with the information given to them.. their choice to listen.

I think it is irresponsible for us to think that teenagers are "being taught" or "know about " pregnancies and STDs. The reality is that they don't know. They know the limited amount of information that is being taught to them through movies, media, and friends. They are believing ridiculous myths and rumors. They need hard cold facts. Their beliefs need to be explored and debunked It is amazing how many teens and young adults believe that you can't get pregnant if they have sex in water, or the first time they have sex, or if they if they are breastfeeding. I know kids who are now raising children, experienced adoption, or had an abortion because nobody bothered to tell them that the "fact" they heard was actually a myth. You want abstinance? Great!!! In order to make that happen you must have sex education so that understand the reality instead of rumors and gossip. And don't assume the schools are teaching it -- parents must. And don't assume the parents are teaching it -- the schools must. It is a life skill that everybody needs and most people hope someone else is teaching.

Samantha

[cetalley]

I for one cannot imagine being there in the back seat of the car, when my 16, 17, 18 year old grandaughter decides this is the time to have sex. EDUCATION....also it is not about being PRO-ABORTION! It is about having a choice...plain and simple...I want to have a choice...what that choice is ...is between me and my GOD! Look where no education, no prevention has gotten some of our political candidates and their families.....Just a thought...how many babies would be available for adoption if we push pregnancy onto our teens?????????just a thought...

[dpen6]

Originally Posted by paisley83

Maybe what I should of said.. Teens are already being taught.. they know what stds are.. they know what condoms are... Its what they do with the information given to them.. their choice to listen.


Also.. my being adopted has a lot to do with my political view!! How can I support someone who openly supports abortion?? I am here, as are you, becuase the women that gave birth to us CHOSE LIFE!!

Paisly,

As ana doptee the argument that my mother"chose life" has NEVER resonated with me In fact I think many peole just use it as a way to keep us in our place. In othe words....You really can't have an opinion about abortion, adoption, bmothers, adoptive mothers because look..you could have been aborted. the fact is if I was aborted well so be it, I would't be here to drive everyone crazy!!!! . the other reality is that when I was born abortion was not available, I really beleive that if it was I would't be here!

[RavenSong]

One thing to think about when considering abortion... Women have ALWAYS had access to abortions or relied on abortifacents to deal with unplanned pregnancies. Ever since the dawn of mankind (or womankind, depending on our point of reference.)

Has anyone here ever seen the results of an illegal abortion that has been botched by some amateur, or a subsequent uterine infection from the abortionist not using sterile instruments?? I have ~ it is a horrible thing to witness. I saw a young woman die in a hospital I was working at many years ago in New Mexico. She and her husband did not have the money to have a doctor perform the abortion, so they turned to a midwife. By the time she made it into our ER, the infection was so far advanced that she didn't respond to the antibiotics. It's a horrible, ugly way to die, and I hope I never have to see that again.

I don't jump up and down for abortions. I think that decision must rest on the shoulders of the woman and her physician, however. I don't think the government has any business responding to religious groups when formulating policy and laws. Go ahead and flame... Just my two cents worth...

[paisley83]

Hmmm.. lots of people disagreeing with everything I have to say today!

First of all, I say what I say though my own experiences. I was taught sex ed in school.. So I knew what could happen.. A friend of mine's younger brother (he's 15) got his girlfriend pregnant. He knew what could happen, my friend is very vocal when it comes to sex, even offering to pay for condoms. When she asked him why he didn't use one, he said he didnt know.

I agree that sex ed should be taught and Obama is right in saying so. Yes, they should know all the facts. And no, they shouldn't just learn that abstinence is the only way.

I just don't agree with abortion, even more so partial birth abortions! Which he does. I also feel the people that want to "choose" want to have a way out, They don't want to accept responsibilty for what they did.

And dpen6, I have to say.. abortions have been around for hundreds of years... it just may not of been legal..

[dpen6]

Originally Posted by paisley83

Hmmm.. lots of people disagreeing with everything I have to say today!

First of all, I say what I say though my own experiences. I was taught sex ed in school.. So I knew what could happen.. A friend of mine's younger brother (he's 15) got his girlfriend pregnant. He knew what could happen, my friend is very vocal when it comes to sex, even offering to pay for condoms. When she asked him why he didn't use one, he said he didnt know.

I agree that sex ed should be taught and Obama is right in saying so. Yes, they should know all the facts. And no, they shouldn't just learn that abstinence is the only way.

I just don't agree with abortion, even more so partial birth abortions! Which he does. I also feel the people that want to "choose" want to have a way out, They don't want to accept responsibilty for what they did.

And dpen6, I have to say.. abortions have been around for hundreds of years... it just may not of been legal..

Maybe so..but don't tell me I should be thank ful because I was not aborted, unless of course everyperson on this EARTH LIVES WITH THE SAME COMMENT, DAY AFTER DAY. I desrve to have been born, I was suppose to be born...don't use my situation as a foder for anti or pro choice. I am not even getting into the argument for or aganist abortion. Even though it disgusts me to think that ther are people around that really beleive that having sex and the result being pregnancy as a punishment is really sick. Or Worse is the mind set to keep those girls pregnant to give others that can't have children a baby. No matter it is not healthy for young girls to give birth, no matter that the possibilty of that child being placed in the wrong home is possible, just so it can be said..."LOOK, she didn't abort.....isn't she wonderful. Then SHE is forgotten about, then SHE is called a bad person for "giving her baby away". Its been called scitzophrenic, for many reasons.

[txrnr]

Making abortion illegal doesn't make it go away. Drugs are illegal, and we teach kids that in school. Guess what, they (almost) all know how to get them, some of them even choose to use them. I'm a high school teacher, just because they know something, doesn't mean they apply the knowledge. Teens are invincible. Just ask them. You can't give someone a "right" then take it away.

I would never have an abortion. I think it's wrong, but that doesn't mean I am not pro choice. Besides, I have never found a canidate that I believe in everything he stands for.

My beliefs aren't that different from yours. Abortion just isn't one of those key topics I look for when casting a ballot.

[paisley83]

dpen6

Yes! You should of been born, and you were born!! And you should be thankful! Everyday we should be thankful, whether we were adopted or not. What about the baby the mother is carrying, wouldn't it want to be born, to have the life all of us have been given?! You say you deserved to be born, everyone deserves to be born! Why do you consider yourself so much more important?!

Tell me how having the mindset that these girls should have their baby's is so bad? Why is it so bad for them to be willing to give their child to someone that may not be able to have their own, but is perfectly capable of loving and raising that child? Yes, unfortunately there are cirumstances that the child could be placed in an abusive home. But that could happen to anyone, adopted or not.. and its a very sad truth.

Also.. you should look up the definition for shizophrenia..

[vegaschristina]

Originally Posted by paisley83

I don't understand why people on THIS message board would be supportive of Obama based on the fact that he is pro Abortion!!

Obama is Pro-CHOICE, not pro-abortion. There is a huge difference between saying that it's not the government's business what happens between a woman, her doctor, and her God and "I think abortions are great, every woman should have one!"

I am Pro-Choice. I am NOT Pro-Abortion. I can't think of a single circumstance that would lead me to that kind of medical treatment. On the other hand, I don't think it's my Governor's, my Congressman's, Senator's, or President's business. I think it's between me and God. Not me and you and Obama and McCain and Bush and God.

Please understand Pro-Choice is not Pro-Abortion.

[paisley83]

I understand what you say. However I cant understand how you can say "I can't think of a single circumstance that would lead me to that kind of medical treatment" could be pro-choice. I just dont see how, on one hand you wouldn't ever have one (why I might ask) but on the other feel that it is ok for someone else to do so. Pro-choice is the same as pro-abortion in my eyes. I know that people will disagree with me.. but I feel that by saying you are pro-choice, its the same as saying I do not care if you have an abortion. By saying you are pro-choice, you are basically saying, I am FOR(considering pro means for) someone having an abortion if she chose to.. and by saying that, in my opinion you say I am Pro(for)-Abortion

[paigeturner]

Originally Posted by paisley83

I understand what you say. However I cant understand how you can say "I can't think of a single circumstance that would lead me to that kind of medical treatment" could be pro-choice. I just dont see how, on one hand you wouldn't ever have one (why I might ask) but on the other feel that it is ok for someone else to do so. Pro-choice is the same as pro-abortion in my eyes. I know that people will disagree with me.. but I feel that by saying you are pro-choice, its the same as saying I do not care if you have an abortion. By saying you are pro-choice, you are basically saying, I am FOR(considering pro means for) someone having an abortion if she chose to.. and by saying that, in my opinion you say I am Pro(for)-Abortion

Paisley - this is easy. I am pro choice and yet did not choose to have one when faced with an unexpected pregnancy. It's not a choice that works for me. I won't make that choice for anyone else. Just like I don't expect anyone else to adopt my religious (or lack thereof) beliefs. I am not Pro-abortion - however, I will fight to keep abortion safe and legal for those that choose them.