[mariarippy]

Originally Posted by Lamaena

Which people do you mean when you say "I don't want to see these people in White House until 2020. They need time." ? If we are getting really technical about people's choice of words, it sounded like you were referring to black people. Maybe your issue is more the color of his skin and not so much his choice of words.
Personally, I believe in his message and support his candidacy. Perhaps punishment wasn't the best choice of words for Obama considering the context in which it was used, but, I understood the message and support it.

I'm happy you have choosen someone to support. I didn't mean about the color of his skin... When it "sounded like" when you read the whole thread to yourself then you might wanna check the way you are reading to yourself. God Bless.

[powderpiggy]

Originally Posted by crick

I'm not sure why you are offended by his views on more education and plans to prevent teen sex, std's and pregnancy?

I sure don't see a 14 year old becoming pregnant as a reward...

Regardless if you support Obama or not, I don't know how it can be an awful thing to not want your child to have a child as a teen or make choices that have consequences such as an STD? That is a punishment imo. I would much rather educate my child on all aspects of sex and what it can lead to than have them learn the hard way.

If you don't believe that a teen pregnacy is punishment, or not appreciate the way he worded it, I can understand that I guess, but isn't the message as a whole something good?

I absolutely agree with Crick. I couldn't have said it better.

[mariarippy]

The adoption website among STD websites should be included into all sex education. People on a local level need to micromanage better based on the stats.
We want what we know and feel is best for our kids. For those of us involved, Isn't this why we talk with them and the community around them?
The message ends up as fluff fluff...education is what actually goes on today. The stats are upsetting. Polishing and finishing what exsists needs to be the message...We have foundation. The surface message is alright. Obama needs to go deeper than a generalization of an ideal. see the link to Julie Fuller...below

A post by Julie Fuller

[mariarippy]

Texas Police Say Baby Probably Cried Before 14-Year-Old Mom Killed Him in Flush Attempt.


FOXNews.com - Texas Police Say Baby Probably Cried Before 14-Year-Old Mom Killed Him in Flush Attempt - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News


Maybe she "freaked out" about her punishment?


How sad. Its very very very very sad.

[crick]

I'm sure they did see their child as a punishment in some ways, since they hid their pregnancies. That though can't soley be based on lack of education. That is on the parents, imo. I'm sorry, but where were the parents these last 9 months?

All this tells me that as a society, we do have to get better about a lot of different things and pertaining specifically to this issue, a call for change to prevent this in the long run of things isn't a bad thing.

I don't agree with a lot of Obama's ways..I do get what you mean by "fluff". He is a terrific speaker and can excite and inspire a crowd, but I don't know that he has effective plans/policies in place to make the actual changes he calls for. I'm undecided on that front and continue to research/listen.

However...isn't that 90% of election propaganda really? To inspire, to speak to the people on views and call for changes? To make people WANT the change in the first place? To see that it's an important issue?

[mariarippy]

In the public school system? Where were her teachers? How many different teachers missed her pregnancy? PE teachers too? Parents too? Blows my mind.

What about trips to church/friends/neighbors/family/grocerystore? Everyone missed this until blood fell on the floor...? VERY VERY VERY VERY SAD.

[mariarippy]

Originally Posted by crick

I'm sure they did see their child as a punishment in some ways, since they hid their pregnancies. That though can't soley be based on lack of education. That is on the parents, imo. I'm sorry, but where were the parents these last 9 months?

All this tells me that as a society, we do have to get better about a lot of different things and pertaining specifically to this issue, a call for change to prevent this in the long run of things isn't a bad thing.

I don't agree with a lot of Obama's ways..I do get what you mean by "fluff". He is a terrific speaker and can excite and inspire a crowd, but I don't know that he has effective plans/policies in place to make the actual changes he calls for. I'm undecided on that front and continue to research/listen.

However...isn't that 90% of election propaganda really? To inspire, to speak to the people on views and call for changes? To make people WANT the change in the first place? To see that it's an important issue?

At this point in America we are beating a dead HORSE(cow if we are talking the meat fiasco). We have many issues here and abroad. The propaganda in an election year is makes it worse on America. I imagine making people WANT to change is the failed diet plan...another issue among Americans. All the diet Isles getting bigger and the waistlines are too. Yo-yo diet and or healthy plans...after a few weeks most say diets are overrrated and slip. Many want to place blame on the current administration. Let's Yo-yo again America.

Paired together with politics and you really have a Yo-yo Americans. We are more intelligent than propoganda.


CQ press and a post in AOL about healthiest states and unhealthy states

[crick]

Ah okay...so I get the feeling here it's really not any of the issues at heart but rather the fact that people are unhappy with the current administration that has you posting all this stuff? (healthy/unhealthy?)

I'm sorry...I'm really trying to figure out your point to it all. We can all find the things we see as problems, debate back and forth over everything and stomp on the horse/cow til their eyes bulge out...or...we can come together as a society and figure out what to DO about it all.

So when someone brings up the issues AND they bring up ways to fix it, I'm apt to consider it. I can't ignore too that a big part of candidates bringing up the issues the way they do is an attempt to make people listen. That's what I see election year as - a way to make people listen and come together for change.

As with many things...execution is our downfall in so many ways, so it remains to be seen who has the best execution plan. Nothing wrong with finding that out and hopefully you like someone to believe in.

[txrnr]

Now it's the teacher's and school's fault for missing her pregnancy. I doubt anyone actually missed it. More likely no one cared, or it was "just one of those things". I teach in a great school, fairly affluent, and I've never had a year go by without a pregnant student. It's not that uncommon. At least our district offers parenting classes and counseling and probably half of the students and their parents decline it.

Parent's no longer have the time or inclination to return teacher's phone calls or emails. The most I have ever had at an open house is 9 (out of 140 students).

Our kids today are fantastic. They are bright, better educated in some cases, and full of energy. Unfortunetly, we see far too many parents who want to be their friends, or feel they can no longer enforce rules once their child gets to high school. Now I know that isn't every parent, but I'd be willing to bet it may describe these 14 yr old young ladies.

Throw money at education (please), social services, and anything else you want. Until families decide to take care of their own first, things will keep sliding downhill and I don't think any politician, Republican, Democrat etc... can change that.

[paigeturner]

So what, Obama wasn't smooth for a change. I get it. My husband still stutters when he talks about his girls as sexual beings and they're 23 and 20! We preached respect for their bodies, never doing anything they weren't comfortable with and protection, protection, protection. I didn't want my girls to follow in my footsteps. I didn't want them to go through the pain of losing a child (YES to me it was punishment). I didn't want them to ever, ever do anything they weren't ready, emotionally and physically, for. Since I don't think premarital sex is wrong that's the best we could do.

We did talk to our girls constantly about sex when they were growing up. Funny thing, they both held on to their virginity a lot longer than most of their friends from the "moral" families. Ironic...

As to Obama being ready to run the country because he gaffed the comment...Heck, look what we've delt with for almost 8 years...Best thing about it is all the "bushism" calendars I've collected.

[paigeturner]

Originally Posted by mariarippy

In the public school system? Where were her teachers? How many different teachers missed her pregnancy? PE teachers too? Parents too? Blows my mind.

What about trips to church/friends/neighbors/family/grocerystore? Everyone missed this until blood fell on the floor...? VERY VERY VERY VERY SAD.

Mariarippy,

I know of two girls who hid thier pregnancies to full term. One I saw daily and never had a clue. She was tiny! I myself didn't show until almost 7 months along with my oldest daughter and I wanted to show! This is a horrible, sad and tragic situation. Her life is ruined, her baby is dead and all those around her will live with the guilt forever.

Not sure what this has to do with Obama...

[crick]

Originally Posted by paigeturner

We did talk to our girls constantly about sex when they were growing up. Funny thing, they both held on to their virginity a lot longer than most of their friends from the "moral" families. Ironic...

*GASPS*! Paige! You don't have morals??? OMG!

I talk to my kids about sex/bodies etc at ages 7,8,10 & 11. Age appropriate of course, but after my dd came home at age 8 1/2 asking me what french kissing was (love them yellow bus educations! lol!) I knew things had been pushed ahead according to my little plan. Dang it! I did NOT want to have this convo at that age, but there it is. I wish other parents would have the same convos too. I do agree that schools have their part but as a parent...it's ultimately our responsibility.

[paigeturner]

Originally Posted by crick

*GASPS*! Paige! You don't have morals??? OMG!

I talk to my kids about sex/bodies etc at ages 7,8,10 & 11. Age appropriate of course, but after my dd came home at age 8 1/2 asking me what french kissing was (love them yellow bus educations! lol!) I knew things had been pushed ahead according to my little plan. Dang it! I did NOT want to have this convo at that age, but there it is. I wish other parents would have the same convos too. I do agree that schools have their part but as a parent...it's ultimately our responsibility.

Well, I do recall a less than proud moment when I my youngest was a senior in high school...I found booger boy under her bed in his underwear. I hauled him outside, threw his clothes after him, while yelling, "show some respect! Do it in the car like we had to!" I'm sure the neighbors were impressed.

[crick]

LMAO!!! *taking notes for the future*

I dread this moment and hope my kids don't engage in this stuff, but reality will likely not cooperate with my hopes. lol.

I do find it sad that my dd at 10 knows about menstruation and basic changes coming but according to her, several of her friends had no idea what she was talking about when she shared (TMI I'm sure...) it with them. And yet, one of the girls is allowed to "date" a boy? (they go to movies unchaperoned at 10, which call me a fuddy duddy...ain't happening with my kids)

What happened to the 60's "revolution"? I'd think we would be far more in tune these days about this stuff and less "shamed" to discuss? Maybe that's a question for your shamed neighbors?

[paigeturner]

I'm with you on this one. I find myself amazed at how many teenagers and young adults intent on "saving" themselves for marriage have a very "clintonesque" view of sex - intercourse, wrong - oral sex, ok. When to me, the oral version is way more intimate than the regular kind...not wrong...just more...Make sense?

My girls weren't allowed to date until 15 and then they all went in groups. The boyfriend/girlfriend thing is so weird at 10 years old! They always had male friends, but not the dating kind!

We're the weirdos who had very candid talks with our girls over the dinner table about this stuff. Talk about TMI! DH choked on his dinner more than once! But, at the end of the day, my girls are so secure in themselves. They treat themselves and their bodies with so much respect.

And I have laid down the ultimate rule...NO getting on reality TV and NO Girls Gone Wild...