[Justice]

Help
I was adopted in Utah, in a private adoption, in 1969-1970, for some time no one has been able to locate Record of or Decree of Adoption, no birth record or certificate. Adoptive parents deceased, and having birth verified has not been possible.
Can anyone help? Know where to get information on or about adoption in Utah in this period? I've been stuck in limbo. The only answer I have ever got from officials is that I was chatel, or property of deceased adoptive father?

[Justice]

Don't have one!
Not that would help, SSA doesn't retain such records.
SSA says I am a US citizen ineligable for SSN because of adoption.

[Decision]

I am not from the states...but I do know that adoption does not disqualify you from getting a SSN number, or am I missing something about your paticular adoption story?
Hugs
Melissa

[melianncrav]

Did you attend school in the US since 1975 all children enrolled in school must have a birth cert. Try the elementry school you went to.

[Decision]

I know I may be barking up the wrong tree here, but do you know for sure you were adopted? how did you find out? Do you have any information about your birthfamily? my thought of the day....I watched a tv show, the deep end of the ocean, a child was kidnapped and lived happily with this other family, unaware of anything, I understand that this may not be the case, but have you checked into missing persons?
Hugs
Melissa

[Justice]

Originally posted by Decision
I am not from the states...but I do know that adoption does not disqualify you from getting a SSN number, or am I missing something about your paticular adoption story?
Hugs
Melissa

In the US it can be very difficult, I have been trying for 18 years and I have been told that because of my adoption I am considered a US citizen ineligible for an SSN. So disqualify you, it depends. Changes in SSA rules from the 1980's to 2002, create this the situation for those in the 'Gap' Group, those born in the 60's and 70's, in reference to the SSA, and those like me. I could go on, but it is a long excuse to give the governments side of this, but being given an SSN is a priveledge not a right. In the US there is no right to work, or to be given an SSN, or to have a driver's license (right to drive an auto) in the US; being able to vote, for US citizens, is one of the few affirmative rights in the US.

Bastard Nation has more this also
http://www.bastards.org

Or I can answer any specific questions or refer you

[Justice]

Originally posted by melianncrav
Did you attend school in the US since 1975 all children enrolled in school must have a birth cert. Try the elementry school you went to.

Humm, that's news those around here, in at least 3 western states they never asked, or required them at least until 1988! Got at least a dozen people here that never gave their schools their birth certificates or SSNs.
We still have illegal alien children without Birth Certificates or SSNs in public schools in the West, I think?
But, while I had some testing done at schools, I was home schooled, as I had a religious mother.
Where were you told this?

[Justice]

Originally posted by Decision
I know I may be barking up the wrong tree here, but do you know for sure you were adopted? how did you find out? Do you have any information about your birthfamily? my thought of the day....I watched a tv show, the deep end of the ocean, a child was kidnapped and lived happily with this other family, unaware of anything, I understand that this may not be the case, but have you checked into missing persons?
Hugs
Melissa

In the State of Utah, I had some sort of records, that were sealed then ordered destroyed at a later date. The records included the release, or relinquishment, information. It was a private adoption, but there was a final degree of adoption given to my mother.
Put up for adoption by the wife of a US serviceman lost in SE Asia. So?

[Justice]

Originally posted by radiodoll
You don't have a SSN? You don't pay taxes?

I wish, only the rich, and those with great legal advice, get out of paying all taxes. It's complicated but if you earned income, the IRS will try to get some of it if they can. As the IRS will tell you, you don't need an SSN, the IRS has TINs Taxpayer Identification Numbers, like the ITIN Individual Taxpayer Identification Number, or the EIN, for individuals, etc. I'm told by a lawyer that a US citizen that does not get a SSN may have an easier time not paying Income Taxes, but ? Somewhere there's information on this I would have to find it again.